Adam Ruben Executive Producer Drive Thru (612) 338-4656 adam@drive-thru.tv
I am seeking devoted fans for a very special reason. In mid-July, my company will be filming a TV commercial to advertise the release of the LotR DVD. The commercial will be filmed in the Twin Cities and will feature real people speaking about the movie. It will be a fun commercial and we are seeking energetic, enthusiastic men and women (ideally the commercial will feature one of each!) to talk about the movie, act out scenes – convey their excitement in any way that seems applicable and appropriate. Participants must be at least 16, and if they are 16 or 17 they will need to have signed permission from a parent or guardian to be considered.
If you or anyone you know from your area or anywhere within or surrounding the Twin Cities might be a good candidate (the selected participants will need to transport themselves to the Twin Cities for the shoot and possibly for a casting session in which they will be videotaped and pre-interviewed), please have them email me at this address soon – time is of the essence because the selected people must be approved well in advance of the filming.
This bit of news was first spotted on DarkHorizons, however people are sending this to me from various sources. The folks from ‘Secondhand Lions’ did contact me recently to confirm this bit of news in regards to the trailer, so who knows!
Return of the King media release schedule:
Teaser Poster – First of a series of characters posters is supposed to start in middle of June. The first of them will be Aragorn. Then approximately monthly begin to occur the working posters with other characters. The cinemas will or replace already hanging posters with everyone by subsequent creative, or, that is more probable, will collect all collection down to autumn.”
Teaser Trailer – The short trailer prepares for start in middle of the summer. From the point of view of general campaign of representation of film it is important, that it differed from impression made by a working trailer of “Two Towers”.
Final Poster – Idea in connecting all teasers together and to connect them in a final one-sheet, which will appear at the end of autumn. On the final poster there will be not so many characters, as it was on last poster of “Two Towers”
Final Trailer – Full-length final trailer with special effects for the first time will appear in September pasted to copies of “Secondhand Lions”
I have seen the link to voice my opinions many times on Gaming Havens and finally decided it was time to make my voice heard.
Last year at the TOR.n oscar party I received two starter decks, for the trading card game, in my goodie bag and grabbed a handful of booster packs from a large punch bowl. Of course at the time i had no idea what the cards were for I just liked looking at the pictures and oohing over the foils.
A couple weeks later I decided to find out what these beutiful cards were actually for. so i took a rule book form a starter deck and sat down to read it. i even got the cards out so i could follow along. Well within a few pages of instructions I was thoroughly confused. and I know I’m not a stupid person the rule book was just impossible to follow, and I was not the only one who thought so.
Well not totally discourged yet i went and bought a few more booster packs and collected a few more cards and finally I was taught how to play. I loved It! it was fun and a great game. I began collecteing more and more cards to build more decks and attended a weekly leauge in my area.
However as more and more expansions came out and rules began to change, or get added, and cards like Sting became illegal to play, I was finding it more and more difficult to keep up with. Not only was i supposed to be learning new rules and new cards every few months but often times there were disagreements over the meaning of the card text. And soemthing that once was fun for me was no longer fun and i found myself no longer wnating to play, or even collect the cards.
And I am not the only one who found that having a life meant it was impossible to try and keep up with the game. I simply cannot put the tiem and effort into soemthing this complicated. And while I would love to someday play again, as long as the game remains confusing and complicated there is no way that i can.
Sincerely, elfstone
Well Elfstone, hopefully our resources here at Gaming Havens can shed some light on the cards and some possible tactics, but if you’re looking for a card game thats easier to understand but still has the same fantasy feel of the Lord of the Rings, you might want to try WarCry, which is made by the creators of the upcoming LOTR Tradeable Miniatures Game. We actually just posted our WarCry review today, it can be found here. Hope this helps!
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This week I had the joy of traveling to Seattle, WA, to learn about a very exciting new Tradeable Miniatures Game based in Tolkien’s Middle-earth that’s slated to hit stores shortly before Return of the King. What is a Tradeable Miniature Game? Well, unlike the existing Strategy Battle Game from Games Workshop, a Tradeable Miniatures Game will feature pre-painted miniatures that you buy in Booster Packs and Starter Sets similar to your favorite card games. The Game is being developed by our new friends at Sabertooth Games, and has been designed by Ryan Miller, who’s work you can see on their Warhammer Collectible Card Game: WarCry. The first expansion set will contain about 120 40mm miniatures including Frodo, Aragorn, and the rest of the Fellowship, and fan favorites like Eowyn, Arwen, Saruman, and many more. I asked about Haldir and Gamling, and it looks like they’re being held for the second expansion.
So how does it work? If you’re familiar with grid games like HeroClix and Mage Knight, you should take to The Lord of the Rings Tradeable Miniatures Game (TMG) quickly, but even if you’re new to this genre the easy to understand design will have you involved in no time. Unlike HeroClix or MageKnight, the LOTR TMG is played on a Hexagonal Grid, and to go along with this each figure is attached to a Hexagonal Base that fits on the grid perfectly. Each base describes the attributes of the character, and each character is given a points value based on their usefulness in battle. Aragorn, being the tank that he is, costs more than say, a Gondorian Soldier. The attributes tell anything from the number of attacks the character has, to the number of spaces he can move in a turn. The Game is played on a fold-out grid that comes with your starter box. When you lay out this grid along side a friend’s grid, it creates one massive Hexagonal Grid to deploy your miniatures on.
The Game itself will come in booster-pack form, featuring 1 Rare, 1 Uncommon, and 2 Common miniatures, and a specially designed Starter Set will include a set of miniatures that you won’t find in the boosters. Sabertooth, in their dedication to the players, wanted to make sure you didn’t end up with more copies of a miniature than you wanted, so they chose good starting miniatures to go into the Starter Set, with a rarity separate from the Rare, Uncommon, Common scheme you’ll find in the boosters. The exception to this is Minions, which will remain the same in both the starter and the booster packs, while starter packs will contain special heroes and main characters that are not available in the booster packs. The Heroes in the starter deck have a special colored slider that indicates whether they came from the Starter Set, but minions like Easterlings and Rohan Soliders will be colored normally, which makes sense since you will definitely want to find as many of them as you can to field against your friends.
While magic plays a roll in the LOTR TMG, the emphasis is on Combat and the fateful acts of the heroes on both sides. For example, Gimli being very well armored has a defense of 6, meaning that in combat the only way your opponent can wound Gimli is to roll numerous sixes to wear him down. One version of Gimli even has the ability to attack in a 360 Degree arc via a Berserk Attack that can hit adjacent models without him facing them. Archers and Ranged Combatants play a heavy roll in the game, as well as Spearmen who don’t need to be adjacent to an enemy to strike, and can add 1 attack to a friendly model it’s adjacent to that is engaged in combat. A Standard game of the Lord of the Rings Tradeable Miniatures Game takes about an hour, or longer depending on how many points you wish to deploy.
The Lord of the Rings Tradeable Miniatures Game is planned to hit stores in November, and we’ll have all the details for you as we get closer to the release date. If you have any specific questions, or even just comments that you’d like us to hear, then shoot an e-mail to Havens@TheOneRing.net and you just might find it posted in our Lord of the Rings Tradeable Miniatures Game Mini-Site!
Warhammer has been challenging hobbyists for years, the lore and world behind it has been carefully protected by the master designers at Games Workshop, so trying to create a Customizable Card Game based around this game of Elves, Dwarves, and Orks is a project that promised to challenge even the most seasoned game developers. So Games Workshop summoned the Designers at Sabertooth Games, Seattle based Development company behind the Warhammer 40,000 CCG, as well as the upcoming Lord of the Rings Tradeable Miniatures Game. Shortly after, WarCry was born.
If you’re familiar with card games, you’re also familiar with the pages and pages of rules that accompany even our favorite games like Decipher’s Lord of the Rings Trading Card Game and Magic: The Gathering. Well when I opened my Grand Alliance starter box, the rulesheet that unfolded in my hands is only one double sided page, slightly longer than your average sheet of printer paper. These short easy to read and easy to understand rules explained what each characteristic of a card did, and how to understand the tactics described on my action cards. Thanks to a demo from WarCry Designer Ryan Miller, I walked away with a basic understanding of the cards, so to make sure we’re all on the same page, let’s take a look at some of the great features that WarCry has to offer.
Just the Starter Box alone is a tribute to the great artistry behind WarCry, when you take your Grand Alliance Starter Box and set it next to your Hordes of Darkness Stater Box the combined artwork on the two boxes create one grand scene of Men, Elves and Dwarves going to battle with Orks, Dark Elves and the armies of Chaos. Inside the Grand Alliance Starter Box is 30 Unit Cards, the heroes and soliders of your army, and 30 Action cards, which when luck sides with you can tilt the tide of battle in your favor. Let’s take a look at one of our hero cards, one of the more stunning cards in the set, also happens to be one of the rarest.
Imrik, Dragon Prince of Caledor is a favorite Miniature of many a Warhammer Hobbyist, and also happens to be a very beautiful Foil card in WarCry. Starting off, Imrik is a Flying Unit, which allows him to block cards regular Infantry and Calvary cards cannot. Imrik’s Strength is 5, a very respectable value, he has 6 Tactic Points, and a Leadership Value fit for a Prince: 5. Not only will his 5 Strength allow him to start off ahead of your average Infantry and Calvalry, but with 6 Tactic points you will be able to play numerous Action Cards to put more of a scare into your opponent. Lets take a look at some of those Action Cards.
Strength of the Forethought is an Action card that fans of our man Imrik will greatly appreciate. Basically, this card rewards you for using it alone as your Combat Tactic. It costs 1 of your Tactic Points to play, and gives the unit +1 Strength for each Unspent Tactic Point at the end of the Tactic Phase. On our bud Imrik, if you only play Strength of Forethought during your Tactic Phase, you can get +5 Strength just by playing this card and sitting back sipping your Starbucks. How does combat work? What is Strength and why do we want to keep our strength as high as possible?
The Combat phase is a very unqiue and very special element of the WarCry Collectible Card Game. On the table is a strip with the icons for the dark, and light side strength bars, when you begin a combat, you move a counter up towards your opponent or closer to yourself depending on the strength of your unit, verus the strength of your opponents unit. As you play Action cards the token can move either way, as strengths rise and special abilities play out, this is an amazing way to simulate the struggle of battle and a feature that sets WarCry appart from other games of its kind. So our man Imrik, in a battle with the Dark Elf Flyer the Archon of Twilight, would start off with an advantage of 1, as Imrik’s Strength is 5, and the Archon’s strength is 4. From there action cards can make Imrik bend the Dark Elf to his will, or leave Imrik wishing he’d stayed out of the battle. As soon as both sides have played out their action cards, each player “rolls” by drawing the top card of their action deck. There is a die logo on the bottom left corner, you add your die roll, and the total strength of your unit, against your opponents, and the higher player is victorious. A tie ends with the slaughter of both units.
Overall the WarCry CCG is a great easy to learn Collectible Card Game that really captures the struggle of war that Warhammer Hobbysts demand, yet still be an experience that new fans to the Warhammer way can easily enjoy again and again. Designers Luke Peterschmidt, Ryan Miller and the rest of Sabertooth Games really built a great system that anyone can pick up and enjoy for hours at a time. You can pick up WarCry in your local Gaming Shop, and when you do shoot us a line with your thoughts on the game and we’ll post em up right here on Gaming Havens at TheOneRing.net.
[Annatar] Elen sila lumenn’ omentielvo/ /Paul, Kris, and Jeff here, we’ll be ready to start @ 8 [jincey] hiya annatar : )) [Annatar] Hello eveyone. we are Paul Dunne, Kris Nelson, and Jeff Sherrill, and we do a Panel on Elvish [Annatar] Welcome, and please bear with us as we try to get our footing [jincey] everyone, i’d like to introduce you to three really cool guys i met in atlanta a few years ago [jincey] jeff sherrill, paul dunne, and kris nelson have been teaching elvish for several years at atlanta’s dragon*con [Annatar] We are not the big experts on Elvish, or anything, but we have been studying it using the resources available in print and on the web [jincey] tonight they are here on one computer, known collectively as annatar [Annatar] What we thought we’d do is see where people’s interest is, and show some of the places we use for information [Annatar] First of all how many people here are acutally interested in learning the Elish language? [Maeglin_Lomion] Right now, I’m gathering a list of Elvish words, then would like to learn sentence structure. [Estel_MM] i am [Zerolene] i’m with ML [Morodiel] Me too [Cer] yep [Zerolene] in fact, i was just about to say about the same thing [Jackie] same here [HannaBoffin] I would like to also learn some vocabulary [KingofGondolin] yep [Raziel] Me too i’m learning quenya from Helge Favskanger’s docs [Annatar] Maeglin, excellent. There is a wonderful way to learn the sentence structure on Helge’s site, ArdaLambion [Toe] sentence structure would be good [Kriinge] Oh uhm i want to learn what they want to learn [Annatar] HannaBoffin, Helge’s ArdaLambion does have a Quenya Corpus word list [Raziel] and so much more\ [Annatar] www.ardalambion.com [HannaBoffin] yes, but is that the best way to start? vocab first, and then structure [HannaBoffin] I have checked out ardalambion…it is HUGE! [Kriinge] I just really want to learn because I’m curious. and interested. [Zerolene] what’s the difference between the 3 types of elvish? [Annatar] that is the ardalambion site run by Helg Fauskanger [Maeglin_Lomion] I have the Sindarin dictionary, but I think the original website I downloaded it from is down. [Cer] yeah [Raziel] no, he has a tutorial, a quenya course, by no means just vocab [Alorin] I’d like to see what you have to say about the Sindarin sentence structure.. Not much info to get about that anywhere [Annatar] Zerolene, first there is Quenya which is the primary almost root language [Annatar] second there is Sindarin which ultimately dirives from the more basic Quenya [Annatar] not certain what you believe to be the third language….Quenya and Sindarin are the basic two [Zerolene] what’s tengwar.. or something… i dunno, i heard people talking about it [Estel_MM] elvish writing Zerolene [Zerolene] oh, k [Kriinge] ooooh I see. [Toe] Is there anywhere that teaches the black tongue of mordor? [Annatar] Tengwar is actually not a language per sae….it is the rune forms that the Elvish (and any particular) language can be writen in [Raziel] i have tengwar font on my comp [Annatar] Toe, there is not nearly enough information about the black speach to learn it [Toe] Any where with even a few words or phrases? [Annatar] as far We know there are only a few words and no whole sentances (except for the ring inscription) [Raziel] yeah, just or 3 sentences, the message on the ring and Orc’s curse [Toe] ok [Raziel] if you can call the curse a sentence [Morodiel] I believe the Grey Havens has a small piece on it [Toe] any dwarvish? [Raziel] Ugluk to to the cesspool dung-filth sha saruman-fool skai [Annatar] Alorin, as for Sindarin sentance structure there is not much to be found. [Alorin] Is there anything? [HannaBoffin] Is there any written material/books that one could purchase to learn quenya? [Annatar] www.elvish.org [Annatar] you can find what there is find about Sindarin here [Morodiel] They have an article on Khuzdul, which I believe is dwarvish… [jincey] what is your opinion of ruth noells book? ; ) [Raziel] Is that Tolkien? [Raziel] he looks… nice [Annatar] HannaBoffin, there is first of all a Quenya tutorial at www.ardalambion.com [Annatar] Ruth Noell’s book is not a very good source [jincey] can you please explain why? [Raziel] why? [Annatar] It is a good start point [Raziel] never read it [Annatar] Ruth Noell’s book has been superceeded [Raziel] ??? [Annatar] The History of Middle Earth has many things about the languages that discredit Ruth Noell [jincey] she wrote her book long before HoMe came out i think [Annatar] As and example, The Lost Road has a part called the Etymologies which superceed Ruth Noell’s interpretations [Guest802556911] I’m interested learning how to piece together small sindarin sentences for fan fiction? What’s the best way to start? [Annatar] You can find “Movie Sindarin” at www.elvish.org [Jackie] yes, I’d also like to learn sentence structure for Sindarin [Annatar] O.k. there is not much availible about Sindarin sentance structure. Other that the link I just mentioned [Annatar] though We’ll see what We can come up with for you next week [HannaBoffin] Pronunciation is another matter altogether, but also interesting to me 🙂 [Annatar] Unfortunately the most fully worked out grammar [Annatar] is Quenya [Guest802556911] I found a site that translated and parsed out the Sindarin used in the films and it was useful. It may have been the site you quoted [Annatar] for that the best resourse is www.ardalambion.com [Raziel] Why do you say unfortunately? [Raziel] Quenya is a beautiful and well-structured language [Annatar] I say unfortuately because most of the elvish words and pharases that you encounter in the books and movies is actually Sindarin [Alorin] We all have our own favourite [Annatar] Most of the Quenya is in the Silmarillion [HannaBoffin] There was a lot said about the coaching the actors in LotR received in speaking elvish, was that Sindarin??? [Raziel] Quenta Silmarillon is mostly base don Quenya [Raziel] lol [Annatar] by the time of LOTR most people speak Sindarin not Quenya [Annatar] acutally there is an even more basic Qenya which can only be found in HOME [Guest802556911] Quenya is indeed well structured but when writing fan fiction not too useful as nobody in the third age speaks it as normal conversation. It’s more ceremonial. [Annatar] This is true Quest, though you’ll find more scholoarly studies in Quenya [Raziel] Not useful if writing about the third age, yet you can write about a lot more then the War of the RING [Annatar] Also should you wish to write say poetry….Quenya is well suited [Raziel] Good Point! [Raziel] It’s very Musical [Estel_MM] i agree [jincey] is namarie quenya or sindarin? [Raziel] QUENYA [Estel_MM] quenya [Annatar] yes the Namarie sung/spoken by Galadriel is a good example of most Quenya grammar [jincey] i have a clip of tolkien reading that [Guest802556911] All very true, and I may just write some Sim based fan fic at some point. [Estel_MM] me too [Maeglin_Lomion] Is “navaer” its Sindarin equivalent? [Raziel] never heard it? [Annatar] The “Kings Letter” in Sauron Defeated (HOME V. IX) has a large chunk of Sindarin [Alorin] Are the Sindarin pronouns immune to mutations? For example, Salos sentence “Lasto beth n’n”, with peth-]beth… Would “Bring him” translate into “Togo chon” or “Togo hon” from Togo + Hon? [Annatar] Maeglin it could be…. [SkyKing] what is a good recource for script/caligraphy, i will be etching several swords over the next few months [Annatar] Unfortunatly we do not understand Sindarin lenition very well right now [Maeglin_Lomion] I had seen it posted on a website and someone in Barli’s used it as a farewell, but it may be just that person’s interpretation…? [Annatar] SkyKing, try this site hem.passagen.se [Raziel] I beg your pardon but does anyone know where to find HomE as ebooks, because you couldn’t find them in my country and importing them would cost me a fortune? [Annatar] Raziel, we wish….. [jincey] Raziel please stick to the topic [maegwen] slightly off topic though [Raziel] sorry [Annatar] actually Jincey that is a good thought, because HOME has a lot of resources for the linguistic side [jincey] an ebook would be gargantuan [Raziel] 12 ebooks [Annatar] The the most important of the 12 books is “The Lost Road” V.V, “Sauron Defeated” V. IX, and War of the Jewels V. X [Annatar] opps War of the Jewels is Vol. XI [Raziel] i already have LOTR, Silm, UT, and letters, but not HoME [Raziel] thanks jincey [Alorin] Could you explain to me why Salo uses the infinitive of the verb Na- in the sentence “Nad no ennas.” instead of the present form Nâ? [Alorin] This question has been bothering me for months =/ [Annatar] Right off the tip of the toungue not certain, though We can look into it and give you an answer next week [Annatar] You can also find Our e-mail adresses at www.frodocoita.com [Alorin] That’d be nice [Annatar] who asked about pronunciation? [Estel_MM] sry, but what/who is Salo? [HannaBoffin] me [Alorin] David Salo, the linguist who constructed all sentences in the LotR movies [Annatar] David Salo is partially responsible for the movie Sindarin [Alorin] *all elvish sentences [Estel_MM] ahh, ok thank you [Raziel] nice [Annatar] hold brb as inJvstice [Raziel] Why did Cate Blanchette cut the a in eArendil in the movie? [Raziel] i kinda noticed that and it bothered me [inJvstice] o.k. I’m back was Annatar a moment ago [Raziel] she pronounce erendil [jincey] wb jeff and kris and paul : ) [inJvstice] Jeff typing now [Raziel] Why did Cate Blanchette cut the a in eArendil in the movie? [Raziel] she pronounced erendil [inJvstice] perhaps you could call that dialect [inJvstice] although this brings up a good point [inJvstice] the diaresis above the ‘e’ in Tolkien’s words indicates that that ‘e’ is pronounced [Raziel] Galadriel was around since the time of Feanor, she was in Valinor, i think she should have spoken the high language in its true form [inJvstice] so in the name Earendil, you are correct. The two vowels should be seperately pronounced [Guest802556911] when constructing a phrase like “my little star” I have come up with “Gileg nin” because I read in one of the online grammar that “my” comes after the word it is modifying? Is this right? [inJvstice] ahhh Galadriel is not Cate Blanchett [inJvstice] however, just for internal argument sake Galadriel had been in Middle for a very very very long time [Raziel] i just said that [inJvstice] Guest that would at least follow the Movie form of Sindarin [Alorin] Well, I’d say that adjective following the noun is pretty well established? [Guest802556911] The movie form by Salo? How else would it be done? [inJvstice] Guest, we’ll be getting into Sindarin grammar in a later session [inJvstice] Salo made some interpretations to Sindarin in order to make it consistant and useable [Guest802556911] InJvstice, thanks, I’ll ask then. [inJvstice] Sindarin grammar is not nearly a worked out as Quenya,thus some interpretation was necessary [Raziel] He shouldn’t have done that really, but bothering about those details is going too far, like asking why legolas was blonde in the movie 🙂 [inJvstice] right now we are pretty much looking to dissimlate the various sources one might use to learn the languages and Tengwar [inJvstice] who is intersted in learning Tengwar? [Estel_MM] i am [SkyKing] i am [Maeglin_Lomion] Me too [Raziel] me3 [molrak] i am [inJvstice] in the next week or two we hope to be able to run a lesson on how to write your name [Estel_MM] nice [Guest802556911] I would! [SkyKing] i need it for etching script onto the swords i will be making in hte next month or two [Raziel] i have the tengwar font at home, but don’t know how it’s structured [inJvstice] for right now, however; there is a site at hem.passagen.se [inJvstice] this is a link to the charts laid out there [inJvstice] for those who are interested in doing their own leg work We recommend the Appendix E, in Return of the King [inJvstice] there the Professer lays out the Tengwar values for Quenya and English [Raziel] could you possibly also speak a little about the other type of writing invented by Feanor, the runes (like the ones on balin’s grave and the sidebar of tornIRC) [inJvstice] though I’ll admit the previous link has it laid out already [inJvstice] the Tengwar are the ones invented by Feanor [[inJvstice] The Cirth (the more nordic runes) in App. E of RotK was invented by Daeron (in Beleriand) [Raziel] didn’t he invent two types of writing, tengwar for writing and the runes for carving? [Raziel] oh, ok [Raziel] thnx for the update [inJvstice] the Sarati which can be found in HOME and at hem.passagen.se [inJvstice] were invented by Rumil of Tirion (these are the ones that predate the Tengwar) [inJvstice] the Tengwar are basically a phonetic alphabet [inJvstice] meaning they can be used to represent sounds in any language [inJvstice] so you can have Tengwar values for Quenya, Sindarin, English, and even Russian if you want [inJvstice] there are some rules to adjusting the values, We’ll get into that when we acutally run a bit on Tengwar in the couple of weeks [Estel_MM] inJvstice, what can we do to become somewhat fluent in reading and writing in elvish (particularly Quenya)? Can the Quenya tutorial be enough? [inJvstice] though these rules are laid out in RotK [Alorin] Excuse me for coming back to David Salos sentences again, but could you answer me why he uses the present form “pedich” in www.elvish.org (first line) instead of the past tense, “pennech”? [inJvstice] no [inJvstice] not at this point [inJvstice] Estel the tutorial is the best source for that [[inJvstice] unfortunalty there are not enough attested words to be completely fluent [inJvstice] In fact Estel, We have been useing Helge’s tutorial quite extensively [[Estel_MM] i c [Raziel] i have noticed Sauron’s black speech has some phonetical elements from sindarin, why is that? [[inJvstice] o.k. quick poll, what would you people like to see in the upcoming weeks [Raziel] choices [inJvstice] because none speaking Black Speech would use Quenya [Raziel] figures [Raziel] about the poll… go ask [Haradrim] I would like to see easy, quick reference charts for the differnent Language elements [Estel_MM] learn sentences, common sentences [Estel_MM] sentences that we would use in english everyday [inJvstice] o.k. we’ve got some quick reference charts for Quenya, though they are not currently posted [[Maeglin_Lomion] Grammar, sentence creation [Guest802556911] Whatever can be found on sentence and Phrase structure in Sindarin! [Alorin] Guest802556911 we talked about that before, there is none [inJvstice] Estel, the likely problem with ‘everyday’ sentances there aren’t that many ‘everyday’ words that Tolkien gives [inJvstice] thank you Alorin [inJvstice] though we’ll see what we can come up with for some ‘everyday [Raziel] that’s what i was going to say [inJvstice] sentance ideas for next weekl [Guest802556911] Sorry! must not have seen that posting! 🙁 [Estel_MM] thanks [Haradrim] It’s possible to extrapolate words, and they are correct in themselves, but we have no idea whether Tolkien intended for there to be another word for that or not…we just can’t know. [inJvstice] that is true Haradrim [Raziel] I only wish The Master was still alive [Estel_MM] yes Raziel [inJvstice] next week We can also try to translate your names into Elvlish [jincey] he’d be pretty old and crotchety by now… [Haradrim] How would you go about that? [Alorin] I’d give 10 years of my life to him, so he could finish off Sindarin wordlists and grammars 😉 [Guest802556911] I like that idea. [Estel_MM] that would be nice [inJvstice] or out of Elvish if you prefer [Raziel] if there was one man that deserved to be an elf… [Haradrim] How would you go about translating names? Do you find the root-meanings of the names and translate those, then add the correct name…isms? How does that work/ [inJvstice] On closing I’d like to say that The Good Professor once said that He created the languages first and Middle Earth later as a place for the languages to exist in [Raziel] i know [inJvstice] Haradrim, yes that is basically how it works [Haradrim] Thank you [inJvstice] We’ve a compiled list of such roots relating to naming in English [inJvstice] So for next week, we’ll have an Elvish naming, some ‘everyday’ words and phrases [Alorin] Could you translate Gandalfs Sindarin name; Olorin, for me? [Raziel] he created Arda at first as a Historical/geographical/social etc. frame for his languages but in the end wound up creating one of the most beautiful stories, no WORLDS ever told. [Haradrim] The question is, does he have to look it up? [inJvstice] we think Olorin is Quenya (Mithrandir is Sindarin) [Estel_MM] lol Haradrim [Raziel] what is Lathspell in? [inJvstice] Olorin is connected to “olos” which means dream or vision [[inJvstice] he spent much time in Lorien (Valinor) with Irmo [Raziel] and that -in sufix is quenya [inJvstice] LathSpell is old english [Alorin] oh, ok, I was wondering where that -in came from [Raziel] Old english, really [Haradrim] Loads of Rohirric are taken directly from Anglo-Saxon [Raziel] does that really mean Ill-News in old english? [inJvstice] -in came for the came in through the ‘out door’ *-) [inJvstice] yes it does Raziel Gos-spell means good news [Raziel] it means -ish, right? [Raziel] Kool [inJvstice] as in gospel [Raziel] i got it [inJvstice] o.k. peeps, this about does it for us tonight [Raziel] htat’s why i said kool [Raziel] c’mon, stay some more! [Guest802556911] cheers! Thanks a lot! [Alorin] Well, thanks for your time 😉 [Maeglin_Lomion] Thanks guys, will be looking forward to next week! [inJvstice] we must consult the palantir and see of Stargate SG-1 is on [jincey] thanks paul and kris and jeff : ) [Raziel] Namarië! [jincey] lol [Maeglin_Lomion] 🙂 inJvstice [Estel_MM] well i have to go, need to finish studying for my calculus exam tomorrow, thank you inJvstice. May the stars shine upon your faces, Namarie! [inJvstice] Namarie [inJvstice] next week, same Barliman’s place, same Barliman’s time [jincey] : )) inJvstice has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)
