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Out On A Limb with Quickbeam: “Where Exactly Art Thou, Radagast?”

April 6, 2012 at 4:50 am by Cliff Quickbeam Broadway  - 

Greetings all, Quickbeam here.

Rumors are flying as far as the Great Eagle’s sight that our newest wizard, Radagast the Brown, will have a more prominent role in the first installment of THE HOBBIT: ‘An Unexpected Journey.’ I am very excited by what Sylvester McCoy may bring to the role. The rumors are strongly suggesting Radagast’s rustic home on the eaves of Mirkwood Forest — Rhosgobel — will be more heavily featured than first suspected.

Color me intrigued! This kind of “newly added” material in Peter Jackson’s film adaptation is not canonical, strictly speaking, within the pages of “The Hobbit.” Yet it is canon from another Tolkien book! This stuff comes from the Appendices in the hinter-lands of “The Return of the King,” and therefore the most intriguing as to how it’ll play out in the new films. Among purists it might be cause for alarm.

Let’s investigate what we know from Tolkien — keeping in mind what the Professor seemed to be confused about himself may leave us with a minor mystery. Let’s also speculate on how P.J. is going to make Rhosgobel fit into the narrative of his first HOBBIT installment.



  • Radagast seems to have been the fourth (of a total five) Istar, or Wizard, to arrive in Middle-earth sometime in the early Third Age.
  • Back in the Undying Lands, before he became the animal-friendly Brown Wizard, he was a Maia of Yavanna, with the original name Aiwendil: “Lover of Birds.”
  • Gandalf said of his friend: “he is a master of shapes and changes of hue.” This gives us tantalizing ideas as to what powers Radagast could employ within the Hobbit story.
  • Saruman did not shy from showing open contempt for poor Radagast, calling him “a fool.” Indeed it seems he didn’t accomplish too much during the War of the Ring, seemingly distracted as he was by his love of animals and birds — yes, it’s that Yavanna thing.
  • He settled in Rhosgobel (Sindarin for “russet town” or “enclosure”) which was on the western edges of Mirkwood.
  • During the Quest of Erebor (what Middle-earth historians call Bilbo’s journey) the White Council,  made up of decision-makers Elrond, Galadriel, Saruman, Gandalf, and Radagast, implemented a military attack against the Necromancer (Sauron) who was nestled down in the southern tip of Mirkwood.
  • Radagast at some point abandoned his home, we don’t know when or why.


Okay, we all get the gist of how an avian-friendly Maia ended up becoming the Doctor Doolittle of Middle-earth. But where *exactly* did he live? Was his home, Rhosgobel, within the boundaries of Mirkwood right by the Carrock and our friendly Bear Guy Beorn? Or was it hundreds of miles to the south within range of an orc-infested Dol Guldur? Why does it show up in two different places when we look it up on the Encyclopedia of Arda? Heck, even in “The Atlas of Middle-earth,” we see it marked in two locations.

Well, according to the Gandalf/Beorn conversation in Chapter 7 of “The Hobbit,” Radagast “lives near the southern border of Mirkwood.” And then in “Fellowship of the Ring” we learn that Elrond’s scouts “had come down into Wilderland and over the Gladden Fields and so at length had reached the old home of Radagast at Rhosgobel.”

That is uncomfortably close to Benedict Cumberbatch. Err, I mean, close to the evil Necromancer. Here’s where we get our panties in a twist: a much later note published by Christopher Tolkien in “Unfinished Tales” says Rhosgobel was located ‘in the forest borders between the Carrock and the Old Road.’ That’s a totally different spot that would change everything about Radagast’s ability to navigate from place to place and how viable he could be at certain times of the story.

What gives? Why would Tolkien be so confused himself? We are not really sure, but what survives in the actual pages of “The Hobbit” and “LOTR” says this feathery-friended fellow was much closer to the threat of Sauron than anyone else during the time of Bilbo’s journey…. And that is KEY!


If Rhosgobel was indeed located that far south, we are immediately clued into what might happen on movie screens this December. It seems to make certain decisions easier for the screenwriters. Put this character within strategic distance of the Enemy, and look what we’ve got! A viable way to show the White Council’s attack on the Necromancer, which happened concurrently with Bilbo traipsing around with the spiders away to the north.

Going a but further, if P.J. decides to put Rhosgobel that far south, it’s also within range of a lovely blonde neighbor to the immediate west, Our Lady of Galadriel. Yes, she could be on-hand so much easier this way if she decides to put on battle-armor herself and bring some Galadhrim into the fray of battle!

Yes, that’s right, I said FRAY of BATTLE. You think P.J. is going to let the whole first Hobbit movie go by without epic fight scenes? You don’t really believe he’ll save all the axe-clashing and goblin-decapitations for the Battle of Five Armies only to be witnessed in the second installment in 2013? That’s not how you build a better blockbuster. I think we’re definitely gonna see a good scrape in the first film, and I predict Radagast will be there with bells on. This narrative speculation is the kind of material P.J. can cull from the Appendices in the back of “LOTR.”

On the other hand, if P.J. decides to put the movie-version-Rhosgobel way up near the Old Forest Road and Beorn, then the Character-Who-Can-Speak-Bird could end up critical to the story in a wholly different way. Imagine that Radagast can change “hue and shape” and gets involved while Bilbo and the Dwarves are caught in spiders’ webs? Wouldn’t that be something if he crashes the dinner party at Beorn’s bachelor pad?

It seems likely in this scenario the rescuing Eagles might carry Thorin & Company (and Gandalf) from the burning pine trees and Goblin/Warg attack right over to Rhosgobel first, and the Carrock won’t appear at all. With Radagast this close to Beorn, maybe the traveling heroes get some advice on how to deal with a were-bear and then go sauntering up to visit him later on.

For my money, I would bet on the southern placement of Radagast’s russet enclosure. Of course, take all this with a chunky grain of salt, as we all know when one assumes it makes an ass out of you and me.


There’s plenty of hard-arguing still going on with Ringer fans about whether the animals/ eagles/ spiders will be shown onscreen speaking any dialogue. Most people say at this point there are no actors announced to play any voices for such creatures. To which I say, *drat* and double-drat, simply because the voiceover actor in me would’ve loved to provide a spidery voice. With no casting announcement, there’s not going to be any talking Eagles onscreen, sorry.

Methinks that’s what we have Radagast there for — he might be the one character shown speaking to the animals, albeit in secret or silent “off mic.”  I am fully convinced in the 2nd movie ‘There and Back Again’ we will see Radagast sending a certain thrush to watch over a certain Bilbo and accompany him within the dragon’s chamber.  It makes so much sense to me. It also allows the writers to condense characters and does away with the need for the Roäc/Thorin talking-bird scene. Why bother having to establish how Dwarves can also communicate with birds, which may just confuse the uninitiated audience?  Well, if Radagast is the one behind all the avian allies, that gives the character much more to do.

I’m still left wondering, however, exactly how Bard will understand a critical message that comes to his ear, but we will see how that plays out. Radagast can’t be everywhere at all times deciphering every tweet!  Hmmmm.  Tweet….

Wait and see what clever bits (in less than 140 characters) come out of the Twitterverse in relation to this character.  “I just flew in from Rhosgobel and boy, are my arms tired!”  Ah, comedy for the picking.

Much too hasty,


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17 responses to “Out On A Limb with Quickbeam: “Where Exactly Art Thou, Radagast?””

  1. sim says:

    “Wherefore art thou Radagast?” – easy, because that’s what Tolkien chose to call him!

  2. Jim says:

    Lesson of the Day: Wherefore is the opposite of therefore. Juliet doesn’t ask about Romeo’s location and then go off on a tangent about names; she asks “Why do you have to be Romeo?” because his name made him an enemy of her family. TMYK

  3. Leif Hammer says:

    Maybe Radagast is flying with the eagles, and he recognizes Gandalf among Bilbo & the dwarves whilst they are trapped in the burning trees, and he gets the eagles to rescue them and take them to his place. Maybe something has happened to his home though, because of the necromance, and they quickly have to flee to Beorn?

    I don’t know, but it will be very cool tieing Radagast into the story. Usually I’m a purist, but in this case I approve.

  4. Jamman says:

    Food for thought: Radagast is an avid bird lover, why not migrate between 2 homes; Radagast is a shapeshifting bird lover, what if he is the thrush and speaks to Bard?

  5. Interesting specualtion Quickbeam peter has indeed got somechallenges to bring it all into the scope of LOTR the film(s) and he has shown a different perspective than i would have used in many pats of the books. I hve to agree with you that the southern site would be the most likely although i hope Peter stays true to the books about the Spiders and Birds etc talking. these were not typical birds and insects after all.

  6. L.J. Kiosq says:

    Haven’t we already seen an article about Radagast meeting Gandalf and the company of fourteen shortly after them raiding the Troll Cave, warning them about the spiders and all? It was almost a year ago, however, so maybe the info was inaccurate.

    I would once again like to say that just because we haven’t heard a cast for the animal voices, doesn’t mean there won’t be any. I am 99% sure that our three trolls friends will be talking, and we haven’t heard about casting for them. Why do we know they will talk? Because Gandalf mimics their voices to confuse them until dawn arrives.  

  7. nkalanaga says:

    As for understanding the Raven, today’s ravens are quite capable of learning and speaking basic human speech.  I’ve never heard of anyone teaching a thrush to speak, but they might be able to find a real speaking raven.

  8. nkalanaga says:

    I like that idea.  It makes sense both economically (one actor) and within the story. 

  9. Gothmog Bauglir says:

    Is he the moth of LOTR????

  10. Sentient 6 says:

    PJ probably will not comply to any content in the Unfinished Tales. He skipped a lot of the scene where Isildur loses the ring. Also, Radagast could arrive in Middle-Earth with Saruman. There is no canon answer. And the arrive of the Istari will not be there for sure. About a great battle.. it is the battle in front of Moria, for sure! It is a way to introduce Thorin and his nickname Oakenshield!

  11. TomBombadil says:

    That isn’t a bad idea actually. 

  12. TomBombadil says:

    I say that positioning his home toward the southern border of Mirkwood is smarter, simply for the fact that it could explain why he left his home in the first place(Dol Guldur), and it could be a very strategic position for P.J., which could give him an opportunity to flesh out the story a bit. 

  13. Gbvenom says:

    I think he’s the moth. It would make total complete sense. 

  14. M. Rooney says:

    Radagast is mentioned in The Hobbit, plays a role very early in LotR (in both the published work and in the chronological development of Tolkien’s writing), and then simply disappears.  Though the mission of the Istari is to galvanize resistance to Sauron, he is wholly AWOL during the War of the Ring, when even off-stage action gets mention in the Appendices, and even when his bailiwick (birds) play a pivotal role in assisting his fellow Maia in the rescue of the Ringbearer.  I cannot help but conclude this is a case where JRRT nodded and simply forgot about the character.  His afterthoughts in the Letters do not show any considered reason for the omission.

    So this is a case where I think free invention on Jackson et al. is justifiable.  I hope it won’t be a cringe-worthy as some of Arwen’s or Faramir’s scenes were in the previous films, but I won’t be terribly upset if Radagast engages in a variety of non-canonical action.  My guess is that he will be killed in the attack on Dol Guldur — the absence of a major player in LotR would be too inexplicable otherwise, and the slaying of an Istari will offer some dramatic punch to Sauron (who has nothing else to do but run away from the pretty elf witch and the wizards).  It would be nice to have him dissolve into a CG swarm of moths, perhaps …..

  15. Geoff Howell says:

    I am really excited to see Radagast, I simply adore Istari and wish Tolkien had done more with them – side tales of their adventures etc. Surprisingly, Radagast was always one of my favourite, even with as little action he does get. 

    I think the south is more fitting from a cinematic story telling point of view. PJ will want to keep a smooth pace, and level out the layers of possible confusion to the viewers – essentially to make The Hobbit as accessible as possible.

    I wholly agree the necromancer fight will happen at the end of part 1, or at the very beginning of part 2 to get that one off to a fighting start. It will really depend where in assumedly 3 hours the story will be…

  16. Endyre says:

    having characters weave in and out of the story, even major characters being wholly absent for the most of it as Radagast is in LOTR, i think adds huge weight to JRRT’s writing…. it contributes to this vastness you get in his stories, where the world is just so big and there’s so much going on.

    having Radagast just dissapear from the story adds to the feeling of the unknown you get in LOTR, that ‘anything could happen’, he’s such an intriguiging character, to have him just vanish from the story adds to the mystery, the sense that you dont know whats going to happen in this strange world, & makes you wonder about all the other amazing things you’re missing out on just because Bilbo or the fellowship dont bump into them on their journeys.

    in terms of being a master story writer, one of the best the western world has ever produced, the fact that it would take hundreds of years (thousands?!) of writing to flesh out the entire Tolkein universe.. the mind boggles.

    i dont think tolkien ‘forgot’ radagast, and im really looking forward to seeing him in the upcoming films (i hope he’s dirty and muddy and looks like a homeless man who sleeps in the forest)

    as long as he doesnt use a sheild as a snowboard, or use ‘witty’ modern quips like “not the beard!” or “game over!” *gags* then im good.

  17. Endyre says:

    also, just an aside, 10 years from now, when Peter Jackson is making a trilogy based on The Silmarillion……  can we please have Joss Whedon and Guilermo Del Toro involved too?

    Thx, cheers etc.

    (Beren & Luthien 2022)

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