Our second lesson on “How to Construct a Sindarin Sentence”, which concentrated on articles, took place Wednesday, Feb 12 in #TheHallofFire. We’d like to thank our guest, Barliman’s regular and self-taught language expert Elostrion. [Here’s] the transcript of the log.
Month: February 2003
Our second lesson on “How to Construct a Sindarin Sentence”, which concentrated on articles, took place Wednesday, Feb 12 in #TheHallofFire. We’d like to thank our guest, Barliman’s regular and self-taught language expert Elostrion. [Here’s] the transcript of the log.
Our second lesson on “How to Construct a Sindarin Sentence”, which concentrated on articles, took place Wednesday, Feb 12 in #TheHallofFire. We’d like to thank our guest, Barliman’s regular and self-taught language expert Elostrion. Here’s the transcript of the log:
[Elostrion] Welcome to “How to Construct a Sindarin Sentence: Lesson Two”
[Elostrion] We will be covering Articles.
[Elostrion] They are very simple.
[Elostrion] In Sindarin, there are no indefinate articles (a, an).
[Elostrion] Only definate (the).
[Elostrion] However, there are four forms of “the”.
[Elostrion] Sindarin “the” has two distinct divisions:
[Elostrion] Singular and Plural
[Elostrion] Each has a seperate particle article and a suffix form.
[Elostrion] Singular:
[Elostrion] The Sindarin Singular “the” is “i, -n”
[Elostrion] The “i” stands alone
[Elostrion] The “-n” is suffixed onto the preceding word.
[Elostrion] Obviously, if there is no word preceding the article, than we cannot use the suffix form.
[Elostrion] I prefer to use the suffix form in all cases I am able.
[Elostrion] However, be careful not to suffix onto consonants that cannot be followed by an “n”, e.g. “m, etc.”
[Elostrion] Plural:
[Elostrion] “in, -in”
[Elostrion] The same rules apply.
[Elostrion] We have more liberty with the suffix “-in” because it begins with a vowel.
[Elostrion] As I stated last lesson, Sindarin articles always precede their noun.
[Elostrion] Here are a few examples:
[Elostrion] The bull…
[Elostrion] We would use a singular article, becuase there is only one bull.
[Elostrion] And since “the” is not preceded by another word, we have only one choice…
[Elostrion] “I vund…”
[Elostrion] …abandon the birds…
[Elostrion] We would use a plural article, because there is more than one bird.
[Elostrion] “…awartha i filig…”
[Elostrion] The change in the article is explained by Consonant Mutation, which we will cover soon.
[Elostrion] We have also another choice…
[Elostrion] “…awarthan filig…”
[Elostrion] I am ready to take questions
[Elwen] i would just like to now if the same consonants apply in Sindarin as in Quenya as far as not being able to suffix -n to them
[Elostrion] There are of course different rules that apply; however, in this case, most are concurrent between the two languages. Such as:
[Elostrion] ‘b’
[Elostrion] ‘l’
[Elostrion] etc.
[Elostrion] Next question please.
[JulieOh] is the article always required, or can it be understood? e.g., would “I like books” have to be translated to “I like the books”?
[Elostrion] Sindarin is unique in that you have quite a bit of freedom on matters like these.
[Elostrion] In situations such as Noun Declinsion and such the article is always understood.
[Elostrion] It is more common to write the article; however, if it is not wanted/needed you may leave it out.
[Elaran] question: we dont have any examples of a article being suffixed to the word before it. only combined with prepostions….
[Elostrion] That is true; however, this theory arised after many years of hard study and a collaboration of minds.
[jincey] could you tell us who the scholars are?
[Elostrion] We have come to the conclusion that it is probably possible to do so.
[Elostrion] Ryzsard J. Derdzinski is a wonderful mind
[Elostrion] As is Helge E. Fauskanger
[Elostrion] And, of course, we cannot forget David Salo, the leading Elvish expert in the world.
[Elaran] ask : why do you believe that it is possible?
[Elostrion] I have come to trust these men over my studies. I have not delved too deep into the issue myself, seeing it as already resolved.
[Arodriel] wheres the best place to find verbs in elvish?
[Elostrion] ardalambion.com, run by Helge Fauskanger, has a wonderful new page up with suggested conjugations of Sindarin verbs…
[Elostrion] however, I am not sure I agree with everything that is contained inside.
[Elostrion] The document is not perfect. Don’t take it as canon.
[Elostrion] Another question?
[Eravial] question: could you give us a couple more examples of plural artcle usage?
[Elostrion] Absolutely!
[Elostrion] “The bulls…”
[Elostrion] “I vund…”
[Elostrion] Again the change is explained by consonant mutation
[Elostrion] Is there another?
[Darkfyre] Question: Is there an example that doesn’t use consonant mutation?
[Elostrion] LoL
[Elostrion] “The strikes…”
[Elostrion] “In draimm…”
[Elostrion] Are there any more?
[jincey] i think we are ready to open the floor now. Looks like there is some debate on what is canon and what is conjecture : )
[Elostrion] Thank you all for coming…I hope to see you next week.
[Raven_Tindomiel] thanks, Elostrion
[happy_eirien] will we be learning characters during these lessons?
[JulieOh] thanks Elostrion! Can’t wait for next week
[Thevina] Argh!
[Not_Maedhros] What is the article “ir” for?
[Menelmacar] thank you very much
[Halladaliel] thanks
[Elostrion] It is my pleasure Raven
[Darkfyre] thanks Elostrion
[aislinn] thanks!
[Eravial] thank you
[happy_eirien] thanx
[Thevina] Elostrian… I am so sorry I missed your class! 🙁
[Arodriel] whats the next lesson gonna be on?
[Jeremy] can someone give an example of Singular articles usage?
Not_Maedhros is unhappy that he missed it.
[Elostrion] LoL, u-moe edaved.
[TheRedSunRises] 3Cuio nin mellon Elostrion
[TheRedSunRises] and thanks!
[Elaran] Elostrion… we have examples of -in being used with a plual subject, Fauskanger notes this, any comments?
[Elostrion] Excuse my lack of accents.
[Elaran] sorry Singular subject
[Elaran] _erin dolothen ethuil_ on the eight day……
[Lembas_n_Cram] thanks Elostrion!
[Elaran] I do not think it is safe to assume that we can use -in in reference to plural subjects only
Thevina the incredibly behind the times asks if these lessons will be each Wednesday?
[Elostrion] There are very many attested examples like this, applying to different areas. Tolkien kept changing his mind about Sindarin, so it is hard to see which version is the final.
[Elassar] am i the only one who can’t understand elvish?
[Not_Maedhros] Nope
[tigere47] no
[Eravial] no
[Elaran] Yes but Fauskanger says that no rule can be reached
[Arodriel] no
[Not_Maedhros] I cannot understand… most of it.
[Not_Maedhros] Hehe…
[aislinn] i am getting there
[Primula_Hornblower1] no Elassar
[Guest] i can say some basic words
[Elostrion] That is true to some extent
[Elaran] yet you presented it as if it was fact that -in was used in reference to a plular subject
[Not_Maedhros] Elostrion, what is the difference between present tense form of say… gâr and garir?
[happy_eirien] will we learn how to use characters?
[Not_Maedhros] happy_eirien, chgaracters?
[Not_Maedhros] If you mean the Tengwar, I can help you there…
[Elassar] when’s the next lesson?
[Arodriel] and what is it on?
[happy_eirien] cool!
[Eravial] will the lesson be posted like the first one?
[Elaran] garir means “they hold” gar means “hold”
[Elostrion] Every Wednesday at 7:00pmEST
[Smoky] Elostrion…could you tell me what mutation to use in a phrase like “leaves of the trees” ??
[Thevina] thank you, Elostrion! next week I won’t miss it altogether…
[Elostrion] Smoky, e-mail me and I will be glad to help.
Not_Maedhros feels sorry for poor Elsortion
[Guest] is the lesson over
[Elaran] Elostrion, in your example _i vund_ you used lenition instead of nasal mutation… any comments?
[Smoky] ok ….thanks !!!
[jincey] we are taking general questions now
[Elostrion] In fact, if any of you have any questions, feel free to e-mail me at elostrion@hotmail.com
[Guest] ok
[Thevina] Really? You don’t mind being inundated?
[Arodriel] what a nice boy
[Thevina] I’m translating an English phrase to Sindarin, using a PDF Sindarin dictionary…
[Primula_Hornblower1] 😀
[Elostrion] Hiswelokë!
[Primula_Hornblower1] thats cool Thevina
[Elaran] Elostrion – whose theory is it exactly that you can suffic -n to the end of the previous word?
[Elaran] *suffix
[Thevina] Thanks, Primula. It sounded Elvish even in English- wanted to translate it for her for fun. Plus I was sure it would look gorgeous in Tengwar.
[Arodriel] is there a book souly based on how to speak elvish?
[Guest] elostrion, are you the teacher
[Elaran] Elostrion???
[Primula_Hornblower1] Tengwar is not easy
[Elostrion] I am Guest
[Elostrion] I pm’d you Elaran
[Guest] oh ok
[Elaran] uh, how do I check pms?
[Thevina] Tengwar isn’t too bad… just put the symbols to the right in Sindarin, to the left or right above in Quenya… basically…
[Elostrion] Arodriel, there are none available in the US
[Thevina] (to represent vowels, that is)
[Arodriel] that stinks
[Arodriel] write one
[Elassar] is there any books I can find that teaches Sindarin
[Arodriel] 🙂
[Elassar] ?
[Thevina] There are some online lessons for Quenya, if memory serves…
[Elassar] where?
[Elostrion] Elassar, there are no reliable books on the shelf
[Thevina] A chap in Finland has them.
[Thevina] sorry… that’s probably not very helpful! 😛
[Arodriel] how much longer are you gonna be on Elostrion?
[Elostrion] A few minutes
[Guest] there are some basics for tengwar and some other stuuf in the back of the book the return of the king
[Thevina] Okay… Elostrion, thank you, and I’ll be here on time next week.
[Arodriel] same
[Tauriel] Online Quenya lessons are at http://ardalambion.com
[Guest] same
[Arodriel] i had to babysit and i missed it yet again
[Thevina] Tauriel!
[Tauriel] Hi 🙂
[Arodriel] i gotta go eat so thanks elostrion, namarie!
[Elostrion] You’re welcome
[tigere47] namarie arodiel
[Elostrion] Navaer mellyn nîn!
[Elassar] thank you!
[Halladaliel] thanks again and see you week!
Lembas_n_Cram opens the door, waves, and walks out into the night
Elostrion has left #thehalloffire
Won’t Billy Boyd be proud!
Celtic folk-rockers Emerald Rose will be featured performers at the upcoming “Two Towers: One Party.”
Emerald Rose is a high energy Celtic folk rock band that blends harmony vocals, pennywhistle, world percussion and driving guitars and bass. Their music ranges from traditional jigs and reels to original folk rock and pop songs. The band often draws from Celtic myth and legend to create their unique sound.
Emerald Rose is well known to Celtic music fans in the Southeast, and the band has been forging a following in the New York and Boston areas during the past two years. Band member Brian (Logan) Sullivan says, “We had a chance to share table space with TheOneRing.net at Dragon*Con 2001 in Atlanta, just before the first movie hit, and we’ve been Tolkien fans for years, so that was exciting for us. Last year we played their ‘Evening at Bree’ costume party, where elves, hobbits and rangers ended up dancing a spontaneous Macarena to one of our songs! It was great to be the house band at the Inn of the Prancing Pony! We’re looking forward to a fun-filled show out in Hollywood, and we’re delighted to be able to present some of our music to such a talented group of folks!”
“We read Tolkien aloud at home for our family time, so this opportunity is very special to us. Sharing LOTR with our kids has been a peak experience. We have all been very impressed by the movies – they have been a constant topic of conversation and (sometimes heated) debate among the band”. All four members have are long-time fans of the Tolkien series and have been avid fantasy gamers for years. They are passionate fans of Magic: The Gathering, and play fervently when on tour.
Science fiction and fantasy cons are some of their favorite gigs. The band has been musical guests at I*Con in New York, DragonCon and Fantasm in Atlanta, and they will be the Filk Guests of Honor at Galacticon 2003 in Chattanooga.
Emerald Rose has been touring throughout the Eastern US for the past two years. Their cd “Bending Tradition” won them international critical acclaim and radio airplay across the US and in Canada, Europe and Australia. Their subsequent release, “Fire in the Head – Emerald Rose Live” has garnered even greater enthusiasm from fans and the press, propelling the band into full time touring and recording. Early 2003 will see the group releasing their traditionally influenced cd, “Celtic Crescent”. The band has received over 380,000 downloads at internet music site http://www.mp3.com, and charted #1 songs in several musical genres.
Emerald Rose will be wearing kilts from Utilikilts. The Utilikilts Co. in Seattle is known as the originator of the casual, functional, everyday, Men’s Unbifurcated Garment called “The Utilikilt”.
Utilikilts are available in waist sizes from 27″ to 60″ and beyond, and in a variety of lengths. All Utilikilts have large, pockets, and belt-loops. There are six models: the heavy-duty, Workman’s kilt, (comes in Black, caramel or chocolate, with tool rigging and extra pockets.) The graceful, Black, Wool Tuxedo kilt. The stunning, black, Leather kilt. The light-weight, yet durable Original kilt, which comes in Black, Olive, Grey, Navy Blue, Tan Khaki, Green Camo, and Nightwatch Camo. And lastly, the Classic Blue Denim. Custom Beer Gut Cuts available. Priced from $110.00 to $600.00 Order by phone: 1-866-666-MYUK or online: www.utilikilts.com
Emerald Rose is currently touring in the Southeast US. They have a website at http://www.emeraldrose.com, and a free song download page at http://www.mp3.com/emeraldrose.
CD’s are available from their website, or can be ordered from Amazon.com and CDbaby.com.
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IRVINE, Calif. – JANUARY 22, 2003 – Blizzard Entertainment®, a division of Vivendi Universal Games, announced today plans for Warcraft® III: The Frozen Throne?, the expansion set to the fastest selling PC game ever*, Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos?. Since the game’s release in July 2002, Warcraft III has now surpassed 2 million units sold worldwide. *
“We are very pleased by the success of Warcraft III,” said Mike Morhaime, Blizzard Entertainment president and co-founder. “Our plans for the expansion set include increasing the strategic gameplay possibilities and depth of the Warcraft universe by introducing a wide array of new Heroes and units, specifically designed to enhance each race.”
Following in the tradition of previous Blizzard expansion sets, Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne provides gamers with a vast new chapter in the epic Warcraft saga. In the single-player campaign, players revisit the war-torn world of Azeroth. Several months have passed since Archimonde and the Burning Legion were defeated at the battle of Mount Hyjal, yet a new threat has arisen throughout the land.
The evil Lich King Ner’zhul has been imprisoned inside the Icecrown glacier, deep within the arctic continent of Northrend. Although the former Orc Shaman lacks physical form, his soul lives on, forever seeking a means to escape his icy prison. As the saga continues, it is revealed that both the Night Elf renegade, Illidan, and the traitorous Death Knight, Arthas, seek the Icecrown glacier and the mysterious powers found inside. While it is uncertain as to what is being sought inside the icy tomb, players must traverse uncharted lands and battle treacherous new enemies to uncover the schemes of these nefarious beings, and save all of Azeroth from the forces of darkness.
Key features include:
– One new Hero per race, each possessing powerful spells and magical abilities specifically designed to enhance each race
– A host of new units, each equipped with new abilities and spells, giving players the opportunity to create diverse strategic and tactical forms of combat
– 3 new tilesets featuring extraordinary new lands to explore, complete with numerous creeps and critters to wage war upon
– Player-built shops, unique for each race, equipped with items carefully designed to improve and aid the units of every race
– Neutral buildings, which will provide players with numerous new upgrades, items and abilities
– Neutral Heroes, available for recruitment by all players, that can supplement and strengthen a player’s army with all new spells and abilities
– An advanced world editor that allows players to create their own custom campaigns, complete with cut-scenes and voiceovers
– Many new multiplayer maps
– Expanded multiplayer options over Battle.net® including multiple new game types, clan and tournament support
Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne is currently slated for worldwide release in the summer of 2003, and is expected to retail for approximately $35.00. The game is expected to receive a Teen Rating from the ESRB.
Since its debut in 1994, the #1-selling Warcraft series has won industry acclaim and has shattered sales records worldwide with over 8 million copies sold. In 1995, Blizzard followed the well-received Warcraft: Orcs and Humans? with the critically acclaimed Warcraft II: Tides of Darkness?, which won multiple Game of the Year awards and is still considered by many critics to be one of the best games ever made.
Best known for blockbuster hits including the Warcraft, StarCraft®, and Diablo® series, Blizzard Entertainment (www.blizzard.com), a division of Vivendi Universal Games, is a premier developer and publisher of entertainment software renowned for creating many of the industry’s most critically acclaimed games. Blizzard’s track record includes seven #1-selling games and multiple Game of the Year awards. The company’s free Internet gaming service Battle.net reigns as the largest in the world, with millions of active users.
WASHINGTON — Actor Sean Astin and wrestler Bradshaw are among celebrities who are using their stardom to increase troop morale and keep the military fresh in the minds of Americans. [More]