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Photo Analysis: Bilbo, Dwarves and Bag End

June 27, 2011 at 9:16 am by newsfrombree  - 

 

As these types of images are released, the staff at TheOneRing.net, and a few of our message board regulars, will be contributing to a new feature in which we hope to live up to the adage “A picture is worth a thousand words.” We will delve deep into images as they are released and try to provide you with background, history and speculation as we wait for The Hobbit movies. To follow along, just reference the numbers in the image and the cooresponding numbers below. Click ‘continue reading.’ Enjoy!

1.  Martin Freeman as Bilbo Baggins

Costume: Keeping in line with the costuming from The Lord of the Rings trilogy, we notice the familiar suspenders over a short collared shirt which we often saw Frodo wearing. A few board members have mentioned the would expect to see Bilbo in a waist coast, but based on the ‘surprise’ nature of the Dwarves visit, Bilbo does look rather like he was not expecting visitors.

Make-up/Prosthetics: Thanks to board member Kangi Ska and Pipe Dream for an image comparison, we are able to see a difference between Martin Freeman’s Bilbo Baggins ears than those of Ian Holm’s Bilbo Baggins ears.

I guess we can now say that Hobbit ears age by shrinking over time!

2.  Bilbo’s Document

There are a few possibilities for the document that Bilbo is holding. One feasible option suggests this is a list of breakfast requests made by Thorin and Co.. Another, and ultimately the general feeling  among the staff here at TOrn, is that Bilbo is holding are the ‘Terms’ of his contract with Thorin. In the book, the terms are rather short:

“Thorin and Company to Burglar Bilbo greeting!

For your hospitality our sincerest thanks, and for your offer of professional assistance our gratefulacceptance. Terms: cash on delivery, up to and not exceeding one fourteenth of total profits (if any); alltraveling expenses guaranteed in any event; funeral expenses to be defrayed by us or our representatives, ifoccasion arises and the matter is not otherwise arranged for.

“Thinking it unnecessary to disturb your esteemed repose, we have proceeded in advance to make requisite preparations, and shall await your respected person at the Green Dragon Inn, Bywater, at II a.m. sharp. Trusting that you will be punctual.

“We have the honour to remain
“Yours deeply
“Thorin& Co.”

If we can assume the document is indeed the ‘Terms’ from Thorin, then we can assume some changes from the book. The first would be timing. In the book Bilbo discovers the ‘Terms’ on his mantle after Thorin and Co. have already left Bag End. Here we see Thorin watching Bilbo read the ‘Terms’ in person.  One can imagine Bilbo being handed the ‘Terms’ from Thorin and as he starts to read them, pages upon pages drop to the floor. A bit of comedy which can be excepted from PJ and crew.

3.  Unknown Dwarf

Your guess is as good as ours, but this dwarf could be Bofur, played by James Nesbitt.

4.  Ken Stott as Balin

It is generally agreed amongst the staff that this is Balin, played by actor Ken Stott. Balin is described as ‘a very old-looking dwarf’

5.  Thorin

Front and center in the image, we fully expect this is Richard Armitage as Thorin Oakenshield. (Thanks to Pipe Dream for the zoom)

6.  Unknown Dwarf

With make-up and prosthetics, this could be any of the dwarves.

7.  Unknown Dwarf

With make-up and prosthetics, this could be any of the dwarves.

8.  Thror’s Map

We can pretty well assume the map on the table is Thror’s Map – the map which figures so prominently in the plot of The Hobbit and was briefly featured in The Fellowshp of the Ring.
9.  The Details
It is nice to know that the small Bag End details, including items like the hall light fixture are consistent with the original Trilogy.
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We will not dare to say our theories and speculative notes here are fact. They could be right, or they could be horribly wrong. If you are interested in joining the discussion, please feel free to join us on our VERY active message boards as we discuss these images and many more. [Forums]



 

Posted in Hobbit Book, Hobbit Cast News, Hobbit Movie, Ian McKellen, James Nesbitt, Locations Sets, Martin Freeman, Richard Armitage, The Hobbit on June 27, 2011 by Photo Analysis: Bilbo, Dwarves and Bag End | Discuss
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19 responses to “Photo Analysis: Bilbo, Dwarves and Bag End”

  1. Tim says:

    #7 is Graham McTavish as Dwalin.

  2. Lily says:

    I did made my own guesses (based on the Peter Jackson video) on my blog: http://theprelude.net/?p=326

  3. REALEASE NEW VIDEO BLOG MR. JACKSON 

  4. Robin G says:

    What about the 9th point ? the same ceiling lamp from The Lord of the Rings ?

  5. Yamil says:

    Dwarf #3 is Kili….. he looks the youngest of the dwarves……

  6. Deagol21 says:

    If it is indeed Thorin, I’m a little disappointed. I’m sure Armitage will be great as the character, but he should be significantly older. In the story, Thorin is nearly 200 years old. Even for a dwarf, that’s starting to get up there in age. He should have grey hair and beard, and some wrinkles. Comparing Thorin here, and Gimli in LOTR, I think Gimli looks older. But in the books, I believe Gimli is a spry 100 years or so, much younger than Thorin in The Hobbit.

    I have faith that the story will be handled well, but I worry a bit at some of the liberties that seem to be taking place already. I’m hoping they’ll find a way to age Thorin somewhat in post production.

  7. Tdurand says:

    Is this really a “still” from the movie? I think it might be more of a promo shot and not necessarily in the context of the film.

  8. Ladyofrohan787 says:

    Wow – Martin Freeman IS Bilbo!!! I cannot wait to see this when it comes out. 🙂

  9. N1GHT21 says:

    3 looks like… Aidan Turner

  10. Jbohn says:

    You might want to proof read this article.

  11. Kmccarney88 says:

    Dwarf 3 – Aiden Turner as Kili
    Dwarf 4 – Peter Hambleton as Gloin
    Dwarf 5 – Richard Armitage as Thorin Oakenshield
    Dwarf 6 – William Kircher as Bifur
    Dwarf 7 – James Nesbitt as Bofur

    If you watch the first making of you will notice that they show the seating arrangement of every single dwarf. Peter Jackson calls it out and then they show all the actors in their proper place! All the actors listed above are exactly where they are pictured above, except for Kili, who was supposed to be on the other end of the table next to fili…..however I’m almost positive it is Kili because 1. He looks like one of the youngest and 2. He has a shorter beard, which was part of the plan from the beginning because they were having Aiden Turner grow out a natural beard to see what it looked like.

    The others, however, I’m sure of. Just watch the video.

  12. Jaidoprism7 says:

    Detail like that is really gonna pay off in the long run.  Detail like Deagol21 is speaking of, although small, is certainly crucial.  Its gonna be awesome

  13. JT says:

    I like Freeman’s ears.  And since the Hobbit is the original story, not TLOR, it must be Holm’s ears that are wrong, lol.  Fact is, Jackson and team have had years to tweek and think how they really see things in their minds.  Also, this will be 3D and some things, (probably not the ears though) are going to look a bit different to accomodate that.  Also, Freeman and Holm are real people, with different physical attributes.  Hence, the ears are not going to be identical.  There are real human ears under all that stuff.  A reality check.

  14. Braaij75 says:

    3 is Oin
    4 is Gloin
    5 is Thorin
    6 is Balin
    7 is Dwalin

  15. Knight2359 says:

    Personally, despite the fact he is technically 200, i would prefer a younger Thorin (ie mid 30’s actor like Armitage) because he has a lot of ambition and hotheadedness i would associate with a younger dwarf…it would contrast well with an older, wiser and more measured Balin

  16. Averores81 says:

    He did similar age-shifting in LOTRs with the Hobbits. I was at first very shocked at Armitage’s casting as I’d seen the Rankin-Bass as a kid before reading the books so that is how I’d always pictured Thorin. I trust PJ will work it all out though. Early on in LOTRs they’d planned on including the Arwen fighting at Helm’s Deep and Aragorn dueling with Sauron until better sense came to them. It’s early yet and they haven’t begun editing, I’d forgive them anything now in hopes it’ll be tweaked before the end.

  17. Averores81 says:

    He did similar age-shifting in LOTRs with the Hobbits. I was at first very shocked at Armitage’s casting as I’d seen the Rankin-Bass as a kid before reading the books so that is how I’d always pictured Thorin. I trust PJ will work it all out though. Early on in LOTRs they’d planned on including the Arwen fighting at Helm’s Deep and Aragorn dueling with Sauron until better sense came to them. It’s early yet and they haven’t begun editing, I’d forgive them anything now in hopes it’ll be tweaked before the end.

  18. Easterling says:

    Could you please include the new Empire picture in the analysis? Although, I am not sure if it contains any new information/details.

  19. Jcswindl says:

    Truthfully, the suspected Thorin looks a lot like Peter Jackson’s cameo in The Return of the King.

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