Mythcon XXXII Report I
Just thought Id share my thoughts on Philippa Boyens and Mythcon 32. I cruised up to Berkeley from LA this last weekend with my friend to check it out, and I must say we were not disappointed. I went to Cal for school so I thought Id be able to get us there speedily, but I got us a bit lost and we had misread the schedule! We had thought she was going to be there at 10:00 am but she was actually scheduled for 9:00 am! We rolled in around 9:05 am. When we walked in to the convention hall it seemed like it had just started. I was surprised by how few people were there, maybe no more than 50 people. It was an intimate affair and we settled right in.
Philippa was interviewed on stage by a very good Mythcon interviewer. She asked a whole array of neat questions, and we got some very nice responses, in terms of personal anecdotes, experiences with the actors, the filmmakers aims, and the difficulties and triumphs of adapting and making the films. In response, Philippa touched on the mammoth difficulty of paring things down, of getting the Council of Elrond just right for example. On a cute side-note she shared with us how she once had to go-over some script changes with Sean Bean and Mortensen, and how they all ended up in her hotel room. Even then, she said that they were all so focused on making the movies that the humor of the experience didnt occur to her until after. This experience should make many women jealous. She gave an extensive account of how Viggo Mortensen came onto the project which was exciting, you could feel the anticipation and excitement of when they finally found out that Viggo had agreed to act as Aragorn. She capped of this account with how Viggo arrived in the airport barefoot with a copy of the Volsunga Saga in his pack, straight from his own bookshelf. For those who dont know, the story of the Volsungs was an influence on Tolkien and one of his favorite stories as a youth. She also touched on how she became involved with the project.
Besides her interesting experiences in making the films, I was most impressed with her enthusiasm for the source material, the characters, and her own personal love for Tolkiens world and themes. I must admit that I was a little worried with all the previous talk of Viggo Mortensens great performances, that poor Frodo and Sam would be overshadowed in the movies. But Philippa kept returning to their importance, and referred to Frodo as the main character. She also praised Elijah Woods performances, especially for key parts or scenes in the story. Seems like a minor and obvious thing, but I think its still very important to hear that from one of the screenwriters. I was also impressed with her familiarity with Tolkiens own personal writings, his letters and whatnot. And she referred to the Silmarillion a few times, mentioning Illuvatar and important deeper elements to the world of Tolkien. This was important for me because it obviously showed that she, Fran and Peter know, understand, and most importantly, love, the whole system of Tolkiens mythology, and have a macro and micro understanding of Tolkiens grand patterns.
After she had answered all of the interviewers questions in some depth, the audience was allowed to ask Philippa questions directly. A host of interesting and pointed questions were asked of her, one concerning how each film would end, one concerning the portrayal of magic, and so forth. I cant remember all of them, because they were so many and so well thought out. I do remember that one question allowed her to enthuse about the ending of the first movie, and how Elijahs performance is just magic, and how the whole thing with Boromir is so powerful, and everything and more than she dreamed it could be. I thought, Wow! Yes! because thats definitely one of my favorite parts in the book. Boromirs fall is such a crucial part to the emotion and themes of the book. Another good question and one everyone would love to know was, What is your favorite theme of the book? Philippa answered in Elvish! Which she then translated to something like, The world is changing. Its definitely in my mind one of the deepest but simple truths of the book, that is of course so elegantly told and developed by Tolkien. I have a feeling that Jackson et al will be elegantly telling and developing this theme as well.
I got to ask my own question. I asked her if the role of night is still important in the movies as it is in the books? Many of my favorite parts of the books take place at night, and I explained how one my favorite parts in the whole book, and indeed in all of Tolkiens mythology, is when Sam and Frodo are in the middle of the desolation of Mordor and Frodo is rather despairing and hopeless and asleep at the time. And Sam looks up at the sky and he sees the star of Earendil floating weightless above the earth, its light bringing him hope and a profound sense of peace with himself and the world, knowing that for all that hes been through and however things will end that there are some things that are untouchable, and eternally beautiful and good. Its just a few paragraphs, maybe half a page in the book, that could easily have been overlooked by less dedicated filmmakers, but still so so important. I think most of you know exactly what part Im talking about.
Philippa Boyens response surprised me and set me in great confidence of her and the films. Her face lit-up with recognition, and she immediately talked about the importance of this scene in its relation to the back-story, the history of everything that has gone before (she was referring to the Silmarillion, and the importance of the story of the Silmarils and Earendil in their relation to the Lord of the Rings and Sams plight at that moment), to Sams character, and that yes, it was definitely filmed and would be in the movies. This was great! Then she asked me to elaborate on my question. So I clarified that I was also interested in how darkness and light are used in terms of texture and tone and mood in the films. And then I feebly tried to explain that one of the powerful things in the books to me is that not only do we experience a more primordial wilderness and nature in the books, but we experience a more primordial night and day and their rhythms through our imaginations in the book, in a way that is hard for us to experience today with all of our electricity and lights and crap. For me the balanced order of the circadian rhythms become more and more disrupted as we go further into the books, wherewith the darkness of Sauron becomes a long extended night, which throws this order out of balance, and adds a another deeper layer to the rhythms of day and night. To me this is one of the ways Tolkien achieves a mythic sense in his books, and when contrasted with the final coming of a new morning adds to the deeper joy that we feel. Of course things have passed on and it is also symbolic of the end of many things. But somehow theres something to me that is powerful, almost unconscious, about the effect of this night/day interplay and imagery. Its also powerfully dialectical and layered for me. Of course, again, my question didnt make any sense in this regard, and I never got this far in my explanation, but somehow she knew what I was trying to ask. So she went into the role of the gathering darkness in the books and the films and added interesting anecdotes about the filming of these parts, and talked also about how sometimes the crew just relied on the natural lowlight of evening or twilight in many of the scenes. Sorry for the extended explanation, but I think it illustrates how in-deep the whole project is in Tolkiens world and stories.
Later on, we watched some of Heavenly Creatures, which certainly relayed how Jackson can direct and how he can just suck you into a story, and fantasy. Obviously, hes got talent. Then we watched the two LOTR trailers on VHS courtesy of New Line. Even though my friend and I were far in the back and the TV was rather small, the trailers looked brilliant. The color and sharpness of the pictures were fantastic. Ive seen them many times on the Web and once or twice in the theater, but man, on DVD these movies are going to look so deep and dark and crisp and lush! Anyway, after this they had a panel to discuss what we might expect of the movies, and this included the interviewer, Bill Weldon, TORNs own Tehanu and Quickbeam and the moderator. Everyone had very interesting thoughts and firsthand experiences with their involvement with the films or their experience covering their making. But the moderator kind of went a little negative, actually very negative, and harped on a lot of things he saw in the trailer. He didnt like the shot of the army marching across Mordor, and he had a big problem with Galadriels line, Even the smallest person can change the course of the future He thought this line was too explicit in terms of the themes of the book and said the filmmakers were taking a little too much liberty with this, and parting too much from the actual book. Then everything seemed to degenerate for a long while into a needless debate between opposing camps, with the majority still trying to take a more neutral tone. Words like dangerous and it has to be and other such inflexible language were being used, and just served to point out that you cant please every one and that theres no point in trying tothat would be, indeed, over-compromising.
My two cents, from my vantage point now, is that the CGI shot of the marching army still looks pretty damn good to me, and Im especially impressed with the orc who marches in the front of the shot. Also, this shot probably wont even show until Return of the King, Weta has two more years to perfect such a shot. But maybe the moderators critical eye will inspire Weta to work even harder on these shots? Even so, theres no way of avoiding the fact that some shots will obviously be CGI simply because theyd be impossible to do otherwise! If youre not willing to accept that fact and go to the movie with an open mind in this sense, I suggest you not get your hopes up too high. It does remain to be seen if the CGI is convincing in terms of how it simply looks, but Im sure by the second movie well be used to the look and the CGI will have become a part of the storytelling and texture of the film-story, so that it will cease to be a matter of whether it looks real and more a matter of if its consistent and conveying something important. I dont want to be going throughout and after the movie, Wow that looks so amazing! I couldnt even tell it was CGI! How did they do that!? just as much as I dont want to be thinking, That looks so fake! That didnt quite look real. ILM might have done that part better. I mean, lets not be so shallow about these things. The important thing is the story, nest pas? And whether the effects support the story, not whether they look totally real and stunning? Even so, Ill wager the overall effect will be masterful and brilliant. Im excited about Gollum too, because unlike Jar Jar Binks, Gollum is a complex character with loads of intricate and interesting dialogue. He actually has something important to say and is a crucial character. And his facial expressions will be so key to his appearance on film that I think hell be, simply by necessity, the best CGI character weve seen yet, and may ever see, even if he doesnt always look real. The story and Gollum demand it. Even if its not always real looking, his character will take on a life of itself, Ill bet.
The other point Id like to make is that Galadriels line may be paraphrase and a bit too explicit and so on, but hell, Elrond spells it out in even more depth and not-to-be-missed-or-confused terms in the Council of Elrond when he speaks of small hands turning the wheels of the world when the wise and strong are distracted. Also, the placement of this piece of dialogue in the trailer is very smart. It sets people up, who have no idea about the story, as to what it will be about in some way. You could easily imagine people coming to see the movie with different expectations, going, Whats up with these stupid hobbit people!? Enough already, I want more of that Aragorn cat, hes bad-ass and so much cooler. Need we say more?
There were other points and criticisms but it all tumbles into a tumbleweed for me. But what was clear, despite the arguments, was that everyone had a great love for the books and for Tolkien. Some times we all just dont see eye to eye on details, but oh well. One important thing to remember however, and which Philippa Boyens made a point of herself (personally, I think she should have been able to sit at the panel at least to defend herself and the project), was that this film is an interpretation to the best of certain persons abilities. She read from one of Tolkiens letters, in which indeed the man himself, understood that someday if his epic tale were to be dramatized that things would have to be changed. And being mindful of the process of mythology, as a living cultural complex that should evolve through time, he embraced the idea that it would be touched by other hands and shaped by individual efforts after the original storyteller is gone. Surely, Tolkien wasnt always at ease with this, but he realized and relinquished it. He did sell the film-rights after all. Its the struggle between identifying oneself as a mythmaker and/or a modern literary author that hordes so-called original ideas and intellectual property. The other thing that was apparent is that literary form is so different from dramatic form. LOTR was not conceived of as a play. Therefore, it does require major changes in its adaptation. This was, in my mind, something that was consistently misunderstood by those who opposed changes to the dialogue and whatnot. Thats not to say that they didnt have a point, and many good ones, but this is going to be a movie. For me, there is no point in making the movie unless its going to be a different experience. Thats the whole point of it. Why do it otherwise? Sure, to make money, to do something fun, but come on, I dont think were that cynical are we? We have the books, and the books should never be replaced by a moviebooks are books for a reason and movies are movies for a reason. Lets not forget this obvious fact. Besides, the movies will tell, not two little trailers.
This all was great for me though. I regretted that Philippa Boyens had to hear so much of this, especially since she flew out from New Zealand and had extended her words and reputation to the audience in such good faith. (I cringe at the idea that some of the specific criticisms people made may have been decisions she made and believed in for her own good reasons.) Even so, I think she weathered the storm okay. And I think the moderator felt bad about how things so quickly went negative. I believe he apologized to her personally afterwards. I mean, were all just Tolkien fans after all, that should bind us not divide us. I myself, though a bit nervous, shook Philippas hand and thanked her for her time and efforts and for bringing such passion to the project. I assured her that I thought the movies looked like they were going to be great and that I could tell it was a labor of love. She thanked me in return and expressed that making the movies was for the fans. It was a special moment for me, from one Tolkien fan to another. And well, again, what was even more special about this, and even the somewhat nasty debate, was that it finally washed me of my own concerns and expectations. Hearing others fret and wonder, and having heard Philippas words and seen her there and felt her dedication, I can say that Im finally going to be able to go into the theater with an open mind, ready for a familiar yet new experience on the big screen.
Quite honestly, I believe Philippa should be commended wholeheartedlyits a huge undertaking, and I bet very few could have done as good a job. Im just happy the movies are going to be as good as they promise to be. As Quickbeam pointed out, Disney could have made an animated movie out of LOTR. Or my favorite is that, well, Michael Bay might have directed the movies! And thank god it was made in New Zealand an ocean apart from Hollywood! Even so, New Line should be commended as well! Philippa had nothing but positive things to say about the studio. I think weve been blessed with so many positive things that we forget how spoiled as Tolkien fans weve become. Its truly rare and exceptional.
All in all it was a great afternoon.
I dont belong to the Mythopoeic Society, but everyone was very nice. I was kind of just a tourist in their usual affairs so I thank them for letting me participate. And they were also filming the whole thing, so maybe some of you will get a chance to see the video someday. I also got a chance to introduce myself in person to Tehanu and Quickbeam. Id like to thank them as well for being on the panel and providing a voice of enthusiasm for the films. Cool, thats it, phew! Thanks for bearing with my convoluted account of things. Hope you enjoyed it J
-Thomas KelleyPosted in Old Spy Reports on August 6, 2001 by xoanon