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AshNazg
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May 10, 6:07pm
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I wonder what right they have to do this...
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Legal grey area, they weren't profiting from it as far as I know?
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Otaku-sempai
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May 10, 6:16pm
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Barry Keoghan seems about 10 years too young and doesn't really look the part of Aragprm to me. But maybe that is just my opinion. I wonder what Stewart Townsend is up to these days?
Keoghan:
“Hell hath no fury like that of the uninvolved.” - Tony Isabella
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Otaku-sempai
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May 10, 6:22pm
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It Stinks, but It's Also Perfectly Legit
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Warners is protecting their trademark and legal interests. Yes, they have the right to do this, it's still a crappy action to take.
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Otaku-sempai
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May 10, 6:30pm
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Maybe They'll Have to Backpedal
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I should be excited but I'm feeling dread instead.
The story sounds like it's going to be by necessity 95% original PJ ideas, 5% Tolkien, and based on the Hobbit movies I don't expect for the original PJ ideas to be any good, though maybe he might produce something better with more time to plan things through.
The other issue is that the Tolkien "story" behind the movie is really just a fragment of backstory that I don't think is capable of standing on its own as an independent work and was never meant to do so.
I can see two main ways that the story could be realistically adapted in our situation:
a) A slapstick comedy in which Wile E. Coyote (Aragorn) hunts the roadrunner (Gollum) for three hours and gets him in the end.
b) A very dramatic and serious three-hour epic with kingdoms and armies from all the old fan-favorite countries culminating in an epic battle (more epic and dramatic than any ever filmed by PJ) over who gets to interrogate Gollum and learn about the One Ring. Denethor would probably appear as a side antagonist whose designs for the Ring Aragorn needs to thwart.
It's dismal. I think I would prefer the comedy option. Comedies can withstand plot issues in a way that dramas can't.
If PJ and his team can't make a cohesive film out of this that also pays respect to Tolkien then perhaps they'll have to abandon The Hunt for Gollum and branch off in a different direction. This really does feel like it would have been more appropriate for one of those animated, direct-to-video prequels that were fairly common in the 1990s and earl '00s.
“Hell hath no fury like that of the uninvolved.” - Tony Isabella
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AshNazg
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May 10, 6:52pm
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He just seems to be in everything lately and I'll bet he'll be involved in these movies somehow. I wouldn't be surprised if it was as Aragorn. Isn't Aragorn supposed to be in his late twenties during these events?
If I had a serious choice I'd probably go with Nicholas Hoult. Although it would be weird after him playing Tolkien.
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Otaku-sempai
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May 10, 7:12pm
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The hunt for Gollum began in T.A. 3001, sometime after Bilbo's farewell party. Aragorn was 70 years old then. But the search didn't really take off until the year 3009. Aragorn finally found and captured Gollum in 3017. However, if this movie is to be canonical with the previous films then he timeline would have to be drastically condensed!
“Hell hath no fury like that of the uninvolved.” - Tony Isabella
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AshNazg
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May 10, 7:26pm
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We have different ideas of this movies timeframe..
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I doubt they will set the movie during the events of FotR. It would be too confusing.
I imagine the events being directly after The Hobbit, Thranduil has just told Legolas to find someone called Strider - Gandalf points him in the right direction and says "bring him to Rivendell"
Legolas looks high and low and finds Aragorn drunk and beaten and disinterested. Legolas convinces him to come to Rivendell.
Aragorn is kinda lost and unmotivated but at Rivendell he meets Arwen for the first time.
She shows him Narsil, and gives him his motivation.
Gandalf sends them to the Misty Mountains to find out more about Gollum, they track him down and find him in Dol Guldur, which is still full of orcs.
They take Gollum to Thranduil and meet Gandalf who is concerned about Dol Guldur and Sauron, so he goes away to tell Galadriel and Elrond to prepare for war.
Meanwhile Dol Guldur attacks Thranduil's halls and Gollum is captured by orcs and taken to be tortured, there's a big battle.
Gandalf and Galadriel show up last minute with an army and win the battle. Galadriel goes to Dol Guldur and crumbles the ruins into dust so they'll never be a problem again.
The End... Kinda thing
We could also see the rebuilding of Barad Dur. The birth of The Eye, the Witch King moving into Minas Morgul. Just all the in-between stuff.
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Otaku-sempai
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May 10, 7:34pm
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You asked about the events within the legendarium. But even if the movie starts the search before Bilbo's birthday party, it can't be too early as it wouldn't be before Gandalf was having serious suspicions about Bilbo's "funny, magic ring". And Aragorn still can't succeed in capturing Gollum until not too long before the Council of Elrond. We are still looking at a condensed timeline.
To my mind, Aragorn still first meets Arwen at the beginning of his twentieth year and leaves Rivendell soon after. It just takes place later than in the book continuity--just a few years before the Battle of Five Armies.
“Hell hath no fury like that of the uninvolved.” - Tony Isabella
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Otaku-sempai
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May 10, 7:42pm
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The Hunt for Gollum Fan-film Restored!
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Warners has removed their copyright strike against the Hunt for Gollum fan-film. Good for them!
You can watch the short film on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZWuxEwqYzM
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May 10, 8:59pm
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Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."
"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded beggar with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.
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Ataahua
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May 10, 9:05pm
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Aragorn options: Theo James or Jai Courtney?
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The casting chat over the coming months will be fun. 
Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."
"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded beggar with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.
Fantasy novel - The Arcanist's Tattoo
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Patty
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May 10, 9:50pm
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Well, I know this for a fact. Nobody can bring Middle earth to life like…
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Howard Shore. His music was easily a very large portion of why the movies were so great.
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May 10, 10:46pm
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Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."
"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded beggar with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.
Fantasy novel - The Arcanist's Tattoo
My LOTR fan-fiction
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CuriousG
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May 10, 11:36pm
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Theo James would be my choice between the two
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though I've only seen him polished, and he'd need to be able to be a dirty, weather-stained Ranger. Viggo set the gold standard to follow.
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Patty
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May 11, 12:27am
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I have not been paying attention so I had to look it up…
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James Galway, though he is 84 is still performing. Bring him back for the flute tones in the music!
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Ethel Duath
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May 11, 3:16am
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He was the flute teacher at my music school for about a year,
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and my roommate studied with him during that time (late 70's).
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Intergalactic Lawman
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May 11, 4:40am
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The questions you pose, are exactly the same concerns I have 
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Yva
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May 11, 7:53am
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That was my first thought, that this is basically the bridge movie the idea of which was floating around for quite a long time. Personally I always liked the idea, not least because The Shadow of the Past and Elrond's Council are my favourite chapters, so I say why not! What's interesting and a sign of the times is I'm not particularly worried about it being mediocre or of IP-milking nature (as that won't ruin my enjoyment of Tolkien) but somehow I'm worried about another diversity discussion pandemonium.
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May 11, 10:49am
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I had somehow never seen the fan film before. I was surprised by how good the cinematography in particular was. They had even done all the CGI from the scratch themselves, but it didn't look like that. It looked like they had spliced in moments from the original movies, but no, the look had just been recreated that well.
So if we assume that the official Hunt for Gollum film takes a roughly similar route as the fan film, we can expect some 140 extra minutes of pure filler. The fan film already extended the premise with reasonable levels of easy-to-predict filler such as Orcs attacking and a Nazgűl appearing. The official film would then be expected to have Orcs and Nazgűl attacking even more times in greater numbers and in longer scenes, plus probably other monsters such as Trolls and Wargs. There would also be expected to be more dealings with side characters and their individual plots. Proportionally the official movie would have no realistic way of not ending up much worse than the Hobbit movies in terms of filler.
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May 12, 1:37pm
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I watched THFG when it was released, and just watched it again.
It's a very well produced fan film and PJ and his crew will have a hard time meeting that standard. The Hobbit movies were a let down for me.
I think I made a DVD of The Hunt For Gollum fan film, good to have if it ever gets scrubbed by the studios again. I also have the complete music soundtrack which I enjoy on occasion. The soundtrack ties in well with Shore's music.
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Archestratie
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May 15, 12:42pm
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I'm thinking back to the early rumors of the Amazon LotR series, and how we heard their first idea was something like a Young Aragorn and Legolas buddy cop show that may have involved the hunting of Gollum. I wonder if it's possible that the Young Aragorn idea truly was Amazon's first choice and when they checked with WB, WB said, "Nah, we might want to do something with that in the future." And then, rather than have to negotiate with WB every time they wanted to write a script for their show, Amazon just chose to set everything in the Second Age instead. This way, there would be no conflict with future productions from New Line. Possible?
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AshNazg
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Fri, 11:19pm
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What I suggested isn't is fan canon...
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Reading the Tale of Years and Of the Rings of Power, Aragorn meets Arwen very shortly after the Battle of Five Armies, it is said he was out on some errands with Elrond's sons. Well we just replace the sons with Legolas and it all fits. Aragorn would be about 27 when he meets Arwen. Not a big change.
Gandalf already has suspicions about Bilbo's ring at the end of BoFA. He explicitly says so to Bilbo and gives him a dark look. That is enough for Gandalf to wonder "Who was this Gollum chap" and want him hunted down. So he gets Legolas and Aragorn to do so.
The book tells us 2951 - Gollum heads to Mordor and the Nazgul reoccupy Dol Guldur. But why?? What's Gollum doing? Wouldn't he more likely be tracking Bilbo and end up lost in Mirkwood or Dol Guldur?
It says Aragorn later does errantries for Gandalf under the name Thorongil. Well this could be one of his tasks. We then take all of the Hunt for Gollum that was cut from FotR and place it 20 years earlier, tying it with the attack of Dol Guldur on Thranduil's Halls. (There's no way the hunt and questioning etc all took place during Gandalf's short excursion to Minas Tirith, it would be weird to retcon that in now)
There's no reason at all this needs to take place after Bilbo's birthday or before the Council. It's completely arbitrary when it happens, as long as Gandalf has the information that Gollum knows "Shire" and "Baggins" then he can piece it all together after reading Isildur's account.
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AshNazg
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Fri, 11:38pm
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Aragorn can't meet Arwen before BoFA..
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Thranduil says Aragorn goes by the name Strider in the wild and "His real name you must discover for yourself"
This means Aragorn is still hiding his true name. He receives his name from Elrond shortly before meeting Arwen. So this must be just after BoFA
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Otaku-sempai
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If you mean Tolkien's "Tale of Years" (Appendix B), Aragorn is only 10 years old at the time of the Quest of Erebor. How is 2951 "shortly after the Battle of Five Armies"? If you are looking at my version for the films, take it with a grain of salt or two. I'm not going to claim that it's completely accurate. If (film) Aragorn was 87 when Sauron fell then his twentieth birthday was in 2935, fifteen years before PJ's Hobbit films.
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Wellington is pretty excited. The Post:
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