{"id":92174,"date":"2014-08-07T00:43:52","date_gmt":"2014-08-07T05:43:52","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.theonering.net\/torwp\/?p=92174"},"modified":"2014-08-07T23:20:57","modified_gmt":"2014-08-08T04:20:57","slug":"torn-talks-to-shaun-gunner-chairman-of-the-tolkien-society","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.theonering.net\/torwp\/2014\/08\/07\/92174-torn-talks-to-shaun-gunner-chairman-of-the-tolkien-society\/","title":{"rendered":"TORn talks to Shaun Gunner, Chairman of The Tolkien Society"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"intro\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-medium wp-image-92175 no-lazyload\" src=\"http:\/\/www-images.theonering.org\/torwp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/08\/935410_10151402223201334_498251264_n-225x300.jpg\" alt=\"935410_10151402223201334_498251264_n\" width=\"225\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.theonering.net\/torwp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/08\/935410_10151402223201334_498251264_n-225x300.jpg 225w, https:\/\/www.theonering.net\/torwp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/08\/935410_10151402223201334_498251264_n-600x800.jpg 600w, https:\/\/www.theonering.net\/torwp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/08\/935410_10151402223201334_498251264_n.jpg 720w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 225px) 100vw, 225px\" \/>Over the last few weeks I&#8217;ve had the pleasure of chatting with Shaun Gunner, Chairman\u00a0of The Tolkien Society. \u00a0We discussed what he thinks of the Peter Jackson films and where he sees the Tolkien Society heading to in the 21st Century. \u00a0And because he said he didn&#8217;t mind answering some silly questions, I just couldn&#8217;t resist putting grammaboodawg&#8217;s favourite question from our Getting to know you Q&amp;A&#8217;s to him.<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p><strong>Kelvarhin:<\/strong>\u00a0The Tolkien Society has been going since 1969; how has fandom changed since those early years? Do you see it changing again right now, with <em>The Hobbit<\/em> movies, or does the core of the fandom remain pretty similar over the years?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Shaun:<\/strong> I don\u2019t think <em>The Hobbit<\/em> films will have any impact on fandom distinct from what <em>The Lord of the Rings<\/em> films have already had. One of the most notable aspects of <em>The Hobbit<\/em> trilogy is how it has not had anywhere near the same impact as <em>The Lord of the Rings<\/em> films. All Tolkien organisations need to start thinking now about what the world will look like in 10 years\u2019 time when there are no films and little prospect of any more \u2013 we need to plan for that.<\/p>\n<p>But, I think the fandom has definitely matured. In the early years, the Society was seen by some as more of an excuse to dress up and get drunk. The more scholarly elements were introduced to the Society\u2019s events in the mid-80s whilst the Internet has really widened participation. The ability to set up your own blog or edit Tolkien Gateway (<a title=\"Tolkien Gateway\" href=\"http:\/\/www.tolkiengateway.net\/\" target=\"_blank\">www.tolkiengateway.net<\/a>) has transformed the accessibility of Tolkien. But I think the fundamental core of what the fandom wants \u2013 art, fun, music, scholarship in a friendly and welcoming Society \u2013 will remain the same.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kelvarhin:<\/strong>\u00a0I know it&#8217;s a few\u00a0years off yet, but are there any plans to celebrate The Tolkien Society&#8217;s 50th birthday in 2019?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Shaun:<\/strong>\u00a0It\u2019s some time off yet, as you say, but we are certainly intending on having a massive celebration, even bigger than our Return of the Ring event two years ago. I think for the Society\u2019s Golden Jubilee we should have a monumental celebration of Tolkien with involvement from as many societies around the world as possible. A truly global celebration of Tolkien and Tolkien fandom.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kelvarhin:<\/strong>\u00a0You &#8212; and your colleagues &#8212; have been very busy of late building a new website for the Tolkien Society and implementing other projects. Can you tell us how that&#8217;s been going, and some of your future plans for the Tolkien Society and people who appreciate Tolkien&#8217;s works.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Shaun:<\/strong> The website (<a title=\"Tolkien Society\" href=\"http:\/\/www.tolkiensociety.org\/\" target=\"_blank\">www.tolkiensociety.org<\/a>) has been the great achievement of my first year as Chairman and I\u2019m really proud to have seen it happen. We have a couple of things still to do \u2013 like a full photo gallery, a forum and a mobile skin \u2013 but the full website is pretty much finished.<\/p>\n<p>The website has helped us to change a lot of our booking and membership procedures, whilst financial constraints in the last few years have made us review our spending patterns. As a result we\u2019re now a really efficient forward-looking organisation with a positive future. This groundwork means we can look ahead to doing new and exciting events \u2013 such as our new Yulemoot this Christmas \u2013 as well as taking a look at our publications in the 21st Century. The Society\u2019s long-term aim is to set up a Tolkien centre and I hope in the next couple of years we\u2019ll begin to see some movement towards that goal.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kelvarhin:<\/strong>\u00a0The Tolkien Society seems to be becoming a broader more-inclusive organisation. How do you balance scholarly interests against those who just want to enjoy Tolkien at face value?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Shaun:<\/strong>\u00a0I think we are actually a very inclusive organisation, but you\u2019re right that it\u2019s definitely a balancing act. We do our best to consciously plan into our events, in our publications, and on our websites what things will interest different people. So at Oxonmoot we will marry day-time scholarly talks with more light-hearted evening entertainment. If we were just scholarly it would scare people away, but if we just focussed on the \u201cfun\u201d things people might find us a little shallow. Our strength is that we bring everything together and I am proud of that.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kelvarhin:<\/strong>\u00a0Also &#8211; The Tolkien Society is quite different from other Middle-earth fandoms, in that it had the blessing of Tolkien himself, and the family are still involved. Does that connection\/involvement make any difference to the way the Society operates?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Shaun:<\/strong>\u00a0It doesn\u2019t impact our day-to-day operations but we do feel very privileged. It obviously comes with a certain responsibility to honour Tolkien and his memory beyond our standard mandate. Many Tolkien family members have attended our events \u2013 with Priscilla Tolkien, Tolkien\u2019s daughter, hosting people in her house \u2013 so we feel very proud.<\/p>\n<p><strong><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-medium wp-image-92176 no-lazyload\" src=\"http:\/\/www-images.theonering.org\/torwp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/08\/385606_10151743417750015_72086065_n-213x300.jpg\" alt=\"385606_10151743417750015_72086065_n\" width=\"213\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.theonering.net\/torwp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/08\/385606_10151743417750015_72086065_n-213x300.jpg 213w, https:\/\/www.theonering.net\/torwp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/08\/385606_10151743417750015_72086065_n.jpg 410w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 213px) 100vw, 213px\" \/>Kelvarhin:<\/strong>\u00a0What&#8217;s the most fun part of being involved in the Tolkien Society?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Shaun:<\/strong>\u00a0The banquets are rather good, but the very best thing is meeting up with a like-minded group of people! I have made some fantastic friendships through the Tolkien Society which will last for decades. When we asked our members what words they would use to describe the Tolkien Society, their number one answer was \u201cfriendly\u201d.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kelvarhin:<\/strong>\u00a0With the popularity of the Movies based on Tolkien\u2019s works encouraging more people to read the stories, is there an increasing interest in the Tolkien Society as a result?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Shaun:\u00a0<\/strong>Yes! Membership of the Society doubled as a result of <em>The Lord of the Rings<\/em> trilogy (as it did following the BBC radio series in the early 80s) and our membership has also been increasing in recent months, especially since the introduction of our new website. We\u2019re getting new people joining the Society every day from across the world, and it\u2019s the popularity of the films that\u2019s made so many people go online and Google \u201cTolkien\u201d.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kelvarhin:<\/strong>\u00a0Should The Tolkien Society be more active in embracing movie fans with an intention of raising more interest amongst them to read Tolkien\u2019s writings and enjoy the \u201creal\u201d stories in the written form as well as expanding their knowledge of Middle-earth and his other stories?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Shaun:<\/strong> I think we are already trying hard to engage film fans as best as possible by reaching out through Twitter and Facebook. Ultimately, as a registered charity in England and Wales we have a legal obligation \u2013 as defined by our constitution \u2013 to promote the life and works of J.R.R. Tolkien. Regardless of whether they enjoy the films or not, we always try our best to promote Tolkien as much as possible which is why, for instance, we had our online \u201cBeowulf Launch Party\u201d earlier in the year.<\/p>\n<p>Where I think we do need to do more work is in promoting Tolkien\u2019s lesser-known works. <em>Roverandom<\/em>, <em>Finn and Hengest<\/em>, <em>Farmer Giles of Ham<\/em>, <em>On Fairy-stories<\/em> are all works that deserve greater recognition. For instance, I think Jemima Catlin\u2019s new illustrated version of <em>The Hobbit<\/em> is excellent: I would like to see a collection of Tolkien\u2019s children\u2019s stories in the same way. We\u2019re really good at talking about <em>The Lord of the Rings<\/em> or <em>The Silmarillion<\/em>, but I think we could do more to talk about Tolkien\u2019s other works.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kelvarhin:<\/strong>\u00a0Do you believe the Movies are creating a good interest in Tolkien\u2019s Middle-earth stories or are they damaging them by changing facts, adding new elements and diluting the stories too much?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Shaun:<\/strong>\u00a0It\u2019s not possible for the films to change the facts; the books will continue to exist long after the interest in the films has died down. I take a more pragmatic approach: I see all interest as \u201cgood\u201d and I see the films as a vehicle for introducing people to the books. There are, of course, changes to the book in the process of being adapted onto the screen but the important thing is that we stay true to the books. That\u2019s what The Tolkien Society is about: we\u2019re not against the films, we\u2019re just very pro- the books!<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kelvarhin:<\/strong>\u00a0What was the most interesting request or question you&#8217;ve ever had for Tolkien-related information or activity? And on that line, what was the most strangest request you\u2019ve ever had?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Shaun:<\/strong>\u00a0I\u2019m not sure I could pick out the most interesting request. But the strangest one came up quite recently: \u2018I would like to get in touch with J.R.R. Tolkien\u2019!<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kelvarhin:<\/strong>\u00a0What&#8217;s your favourite thing from the books and from the movies?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Shaun:<\/strong> My favourite chapter in the books: The Council of Elrond.<\/p>\n<p>My favourite scene from the films: The Bridge of Khazad-d\u00fbm .<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kelvarhin:<\/strong>\u00a0Do you have a favourite quote by JRR Tolkien?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Shaun:<\/strong>\u00a0Yes: <em>\u201cAll we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us.\u201d<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>Kelvarhin:<\/strong>\u00a0At what age did you start reading Tolkien (and which book did you read first)?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Shaun:<\/strong>\u00a0I first encountered Tolkien through David T. Wenzel\u2019s graphic novel version of <em>The Hobbit<\/em> when I was about six. But I first read Tolkien proper when I was 12: <em>The Hobbit<\/em>, <em>The Lord of the Rings<\/em>, and then <em>the Silmarillion<\/em> (which I didn\u2019t fully appreciate!) in quick succession. Although I fondly remembered the David T. Wenzel version of <em>The Hobbit<\/em>, it hadn\u2019t captivated me: it was only the knowledge of the forthcoming <em>Lord of the Rings<\/em> trilogy that encouraged me to ask for the books for Christmas. So if it hadn\u2019t been for Peter Jackson I might never have read <em>The Lord of the Rings<\/em> and joined the Society. But when I did, I was hooked and I knew I would be forever.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kelvarhin:<\/strong>\u00a0Which 3 places do you (and the Tolkien Society) suggest that all Tolkien fans must visit?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Shaun:<\/strong> I think everyone should visit Sarehole Mill in Birmingham and the wider Warwickshire countryside in general. This indisputably inspired Tolkien\u2019s The Shire. The Tolkien Society has recognised the importance of this by putting a Blue Plaque on Sarehole Mill in honour of its influence on Tolkien.<\/p>\n<p>The second place I think all Tolkien fans should visit is Oxford. Tolkien spent more of his life in Oxford than anywhere else. Whether it be visiting the Botanic Gardens, or having a drink in the Eagle and Child, there are plenty of significant locations in Oxford for Tolkien fans to visit. If you could visit Oxford in mid-September it would coincide with our annual Oxonmoot event \u2013 a Tolkien extravaganza which has been going on for forty years! (See<a title=\"Oxon Moot\" href=\"http:\/\/www.oxonmoot.org\" target=\"_blank\"> www.oxonmoot.org<\/a>.)<\/p>\n<p>The third recommendation is slightly unusual. It\u2019s Switzerland. I never appreciated the significance of Switzerland on Tolkien until I visited it last year for the opening of the Greisinger Museum (<a title=\"Greisinger Museum\" href=\"http:\/\/www.greisinger.museum\" target=\"_blank\">www.greisinger.museum<\/a>). Tolkien went hiking in Switzerland in 1911 and now I have been to Switzerland I can definitely see how it impacted Tolkien\u2019s writings.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kelvarhin:<\/strong>\u00a0Can you tell us your three favourite fantasy authors &#8230; plus another you like that may totally surprise people?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Shaun:<\/strong>\u00a0Philip Pullman, Christopher Paolini and J.K. Rowling! As for an unusual author&#8230; perhaps Stieg Larsson?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kelvarhin:<\/strong>\u00a0And, finally, because you said you wouldn\u2019t mind answering grammaboodawg\u2019s favourite question; What was your favourite cartoon when you were a kid?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Shaun:<\/strong>\u00a0Not technically a cartoon but a children\u2019s programme: <em>Thomas the Tank Engine<\/em>! 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