{"id":79713,"date":"2013-09-29T09:08:09","date_gmt":"2013-09-29T14:08:09","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.theonering.net\/torwp\/?p=79713"},"modified":"2013-09-29T15:49:18","modified_gmt":"2013-09-29T20:49:18","slug":"was-the-elvenking-of-the-hobbit-supposed-to-be-thingol","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.theonering.net\/torwp\/2013\/09\/29\/79713-was-the-elvenking-of-the-hobbit-supposed-to-be-thingol\/","title":{"rendered":"Was the Elvenking of The Hobbit supposed to be Thingol?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"intro\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www-images.theonering.org\/torwp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/10\/Thranduil-132x300.jpg\" alt=\"Thranduil\" width=\"132\" height=\"300\" class=\"alignright size-medium wp-image-63158 no-lazyload\" \/> Anyone who&#8217;s read both The Silmarillion and The Hobbit will have noted the strong similarities between the Elvenking of Mirkwood and Thingol Greycloak. In this article, Tolkien scholar Michael Martinez examines whether, at the time Tolkien was writing The Hobbit, the Elvenking was intended to be Thingol himself.<\/p>\n<hr>\n<p>John Rateliff addressed this question in The History of The Hobbit without really closing the issue, although he favors the view (based on the available evidence) that the Elvenking of The Hobbit (whom we learn is named Thranduil in The Lord of the Rings) is NOT to be equated with King Thingol in The Silmarillion.<!--more--><\/p>\n<p>Rateliff\u2019s research (which completes the work begun by his friend Taum Santoski, who sadly passed away before he could complete the work of documenting the history of The Hobbit) has revealed conclusively that when J.R.R. Tolkien was composing the original manuscripts of The Hobbit he clearly intended Bilbo Baggins to be a part of the same world as his great Silmarillion stories, but only in a peripheral sense. 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