{"id":53335,"date":"2012-02-04T00:31:37","date_gmt":"2012-02-04T05:31:37","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.theonering.net\/torwp\/?p=53335"},"modified":"2012-02-04T00:31:37","modified_gmt":"2012-02-04T05:31:37","slug":"hall-of-fire-tomorrow-movie-denethor-tragedy-or-travesty","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.theonering.net\/torwp\/2012\/02\/04\/53335-hall-of-fire-tomorrow-movie-denethor-tragedy-or-travesty\/","title":{"rendered":"Hall of Fire tomorrow. Movie Denethor: tragedy or travesty?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"intro\">Peter Jackson&#8217;s reconstruction of Denethor, the steward of Gondor remains one of the more controversial aspects of his adaptation of Return of the King.<\/p>\n<p>This weekend, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.theonering.net\/torwp\/chat\">Hall of Fire<\/a> re-engages with an old question as we ask: &#8220;Movie Denethor: tragedy or travesty?&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>Denethor II, the last ruling steward of Gondor is one of Tolkien&#8217;s most interesting characters &#8212; as flawed and tragic as some of the greatest heroes of the First Age. In his rivalry with Thorongil and Gandalf to his strained relationship with Faramir and a stewardship where he resorts to desperate acts to save Gondor, we see his pride, nobility, arrogance and, ultimately, his despair and madness.<\/p>\n<p>In Jackson&#8217;s live-action movie trilogy, Denethor (played by John Noble) is written differently &#8212; a weak ruler who passively (and even actively) works against Gondor&#8217;s defence.<\/p>\n<p>What are the successes and failures of Boyens and Walsh take on Denethor? Does the more dramatically shown antipathy of John Noble&#8217;s function better in film, even though it comes at the cost of some of the subtlety of the original?<!--more--><\/p>\n<p>Does his grief &#8212; and self-blame &#8212; at the death of Boromir sufficiently account for his descent into madness considering absence of the Palantir of Minas Tirith as a plot point?<\/p>\n<p>Are there particular scenes or lines &#8212; where Denethor interacts with Gandalf, Faramir or Pippin &#8212; that resonate with you? Does Jackson&#8217;s Denethor come across as truthful?<\/p>\n<p>Join us tomorrow, Saturday February 4 at the special time of 6PM EST (New York time) when we&#8217;ll ask all these questions and more as we discuss &#8220;Movie Denethor: Tragedy or Travesty?&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>Recommended reading: John Noble talks Denethor: &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/www.theonering.net\/torwp\/2004\/01\/05\/24993-the-noble-steward-2\/\" target=\"_blank\">The Noble Steward?<\/a>&#8221;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Time zone conversions<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Not sure what time the chat will be where you are? Check this little conversion table out for some help. NB: Times have changed because of the daylight savings changeover!<\/p>\n<p>America:<br \/>\n6.00pm EST (New York)<br \/>\n5.00pm CST (Chicago)<br \/>\n4.00pm MST (Denver)<br \/>\n3.00pm PST (Los Angeles)<\/p>\n<p>Europe:<br \/>\n11.00pm GMT (London)<br \/>\nMidnight CET (Europe)<\/p>\n<p>Asia-Pacific<br \/>\n9.00am AEST (Sunday) Brisbane,<br \/>\n10.00am AEDT (Sunday) Sydney, Melbourne<br \/>\n1.00pm NZDT (Sunday) Wellington<\/p>\n<p>Our chats usually last 45 mins to an hour, and are very newbie friendly. Simply drop in and join the conversation!<\/p>\n<p><strong>Where \u2014 connection details<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Chat happens on #thehalloffire on irc.theonering.net \u2014 the TORn IRC server. You can connect instantly via <a href=\"http:\/\/www.theonering.net\/torwp\/chat\">our embedded Mibbit client<\/a> that works inside your web browser.<\/p>\n<p>Alternatively, you can install a dedicated chat program such as <a href=\"http:\/\/www.mirc.com\">mIRC<\/a> on your computer and just plug in the following connection details.<\/p>\n<p>Server: irc.theonering.net<br \/>\nPort: 6667<br \/>\nChannel: #thehalloffire<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Peter Jackson&#8217;s reconstruction of Denethor, the steward of Gondor remains one of the more controversial aspects of his&#8230;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":14,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"inline_featured_image":false,"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":false,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[136,117,119],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-53335","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-barliman-news","category-barlimans","category-barliman-hof"],"aioseo_notices":[],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p1tLoH-dSf","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.theonering.net\/torwp\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/53335","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.theonering.net\/torwp\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.theonering.net\/torwp\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.theonering.net\/torwp\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/14"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.theonering.net\/torwp\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=53335"}],"version-history":[{"count":3,"href":"https:\/\/www.theonering.net\/torwp\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/53335\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":53338,"href":"https:\/\/www.theonering.net\/torwp\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/53335\/revisions\/53338"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.theonering.net\/torwp\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=53335"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.theonering.net\/torwp\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=53335"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.theonering.net\/torwp\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=53335"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}