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\"\"<\/a>If you didn’t catch the second part of Sohaib Awan, host of\u00a0Fictional Frontiers <\/a>Radio Show on WJNC1360AM,\u00a0speaking to Anthony Moody from Indalo Productions about the\u00a0recent\u00a0interview he conducted with Guillermo del Toro, here’s your chance to read the transcript. Anthony speaks his thoughts about Guillermo’s ‘Magic Realism’, Monsters\u00a0and the possible ‘tone’ of the upcoming Hobbit Films. There is a also a great story Anthony cites on what Guillermo would have liked to have done\u00a0in the ‘Pale Man’ scene in\u00a0Pans Labyrinth. This is the second installment from the 2 part interview with Anthony. Enjoy!<\/p>\n

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Transcription 2nd<\/sup> November 08 Session 13 tORN Radio Segment<\/span><\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n

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Sohaib<\/strong>: <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

Anthony! Thanks for checking back in!<\/span><\/p>\n

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Anthony<\/strong>:<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

Thanks for having me again.<\/span><\/p>\n

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Sohaib<\/strong>:<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

I guess just to take off from where we were last week we were talking about Guillermo\u2019s<\/strong> passion for the Hobbit<\/strong> \u2013 I know you said you were very excited by the fact that he has so much passion for the film, and that he\u2019s real excited, and that he\u2019s actually reached a break through point as far as the script of the film is concerned and as far as just the production of the film itself.<\/span><\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span>What else really stood out in your interview with Guillermo<\/strong>, because obviously our visitors to our show are actually at theOneRing.net actually can get a detailed blow by blow (so to speak) of the interview at theOneRing.net. But talk a little bit about from your standpoint, what you thought \u2013 aside from his passion, really stood out when you spoke to Guillermo<\/strong>?<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

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Anthony<\/strong>:<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

Well you know it\u2019s interesting, the other thing that really jumped out at me was something that I think couldn\u2019t have been captured really in the transcription of the interview because it was something that was informed by the talk that Guillermo<\/strong> gave at the Directors Guild<\/strong>, right after I interviewed him, which was basically a talk on Monsters<\/strong>.<\/span><\/p>\n

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\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span>And what was fascinating was Guillermo<\/strong> went on, kind of at length about \u2018Magical Realism<\/strong>\u2019 as it\u2019s come to be called. And we touched on this briefly in the interview, but in his mind it was clear that Magical Realism<\/strong> is sort of a descriptive term that was sort of invented to make (to give) people comfort with films like Pans Labyrinth<\/strong> and some of the others that have come out of the Spanish and Latin American film making community in the recent years. And what was really interesting to me was that it was clearly something that stems from his upbringing in Mexico<\/strong>. He described it in his talk on Monsters<\/strong> how culturally it\u2019s just very different there, you know. They might gather for a Sunday night family dinner and (you know) somebody would sit down and say how they were visited by their late Uncle in the middle of the night last night, and talked about sports or something like that. And the reaction around the table would be sort of very \u2018nonplussed\u2019 and sort of \u2018Pass the salt\u2019. [Sohaib laughs]<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

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\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span>So – very much ingrained in the culture in which Guillermo<\/strong> grew up is that there isn\u2019t really no distinction, or at least it\u2019s not an unusual thing, and so in a strange way (you know) Monsters<\/strong> and that which is sort of \u2018quote\/unquote\u2019 foreign, are very much part of the norm in the fabric of the culture in which he grew up. So in a way, that has a tendency that allows for the possibility that Monsters<\/strong> are a lot more scary than they might otherwise be at this (kind of) distance – that we can always sort of pull back no matter how scared we are, and say \u2018well, we know better rationally because that\u2019s not real\u2019.\u00a0 <\/span>Well, not so in the culture in which Guillermo<\/strong> was raised. So, in a lot of ways that\u2019s much more terrifying possibly. But on the other hand, because they\u2019re all so real and grounded in reality, that maybe there\u2019s room for benevolence. <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

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So, it\u2019s a funny thing but, it\u2019s a big take away that I had – the way his upbringing from the culture in which he was raised in Mexico, we may see some Monsters<\/strong> in the Hobbit<\/strong> films<\/strong> that maybe even are a little bit more familiar to us I think \u2013 and that\u2019s just my sort of my take \u2013 than some of the ones that Peter Jackson and group created in the first \u2018go round\u2019 Lord Of The Rings<\/strong> films. So, it could be really interesting to see what we see.<\/span><\/p>\n

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Sohaib<\/strong>:<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

Right! It\u2019s interesting that you bring up Pans<\/strong> Labyrinth<\/strong> because I consider the film to be a masterpiece \u2013 I did enjoy \u2018The Lives of Others<\/strong>\u2019 as well. When I initially heard the results of the Best Foreign Film Oscar going to \u2018The Lives Of Others\u2019 I was disappointed because I thought \u2018Pans\u2019 was so good \u2013 but \u2018The Lives Of Others\u2019 is such an amazing film.<\/span><\/p>\n

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\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span>You were talking about the Magical Realism<\/strong> and I know The<\/strong> Hobbit<\/strong> itself is actually \u2013 I don\u2019t want to say it the more child oriented or geared book, but it obviously has a more juvenile bent to it \u2013 I\u2019m wondering if that\u2019s going to skew the film to a more adult audience? Do you get that feel that he\u2019s going to skew it more towards being in line with the Lord of the Rings films<\/strong>, or do you think it\u2019s going to be something where it could be even darker than those films?<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

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Anthony<\/strong>:<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

I think the likelihood is that they\u2019ll be somewhat darker; I don\u2019t think he\u2019ll skew it overly so. It\u2019s a funny thing; it\u2019s sort of the opposite concern that was borne out with the Star Wars<\/strong> Films. I know I certainly remember the Star Wars Film<\/strong> as a kid, the original trilogy, and I don\u2019t remember them feeling like movies that were geared towards kids at all, but certainly as an adult seeing the second trilogy get made, the prequel trilogy, you know, really felt skewed toward younger kids to me. And obviously we all aged 15-20 years in the process [Sohaib laughs] in between those two films. <\/span><\/p>\n

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\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span>So there\u2019s sort of the opposite concern, right? That he\u2019s going to sort of go more \u2018adult\u2019 and more \u2018dark\u2019 and more \u2018scarier\u2019. I think that\u2019s very possible, it\u2019s a funny thing, because The Hobbit<\/strong> is a little more contained as a story I mean as much as there is sort of is the ancientness of Smaug and the sort of the legends that are woven through it, it\u2019s just a more contained story than the Lord of the Rings<\/strong>. So you could look at it as a real opportunity to kind of create a self contained \u2018world within a world\u2019 or a \u2018history within a history\u2019 that maybe is a little darker and a little scarier.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

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\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span>By the way, an interesting thing which jumps out at me that Guillermo<\/strong> talked about in his talk on Monsters<\/strong> was:\u00a0 <\/span>the end of Pans Labyrinth<\/strong> \u2013 he said something really interesting \u2013 and this also gets back to that \u2018Monsters Are Real\u2019<\/strong> sort of take; and that is he mentioned how a lot of people were sort of dissatisfied by the end of Pans Labyrinth<\/strong>. As he put it, people would come up to him and say \u201cOh, in the end we learned it wasn\u2019t real\u201d. [Sohaib laughs] And he said \u201ccertainly that\u2019s a valid take\u201d but in fact for him; it was kind of the opposite, and in fact it was<\/em> real. [Sohaib agrees] But he simply couldn\u2019t see it. [Sohaib: \u201cRight\u201d] So she could see it, right? Because she was open to it and was therefore able to see it but this evil fascist guy, this very simple two dimensional guy was not open to seeing it or was not able to see what was in fact, reality. I just also thought that was just really interesting, and again, another point that\u2019s clearly, clearly driven from or sparked by his childhood.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

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\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span>By the way he also mentioned something really<\/em> interesting which is when she goes into to see (and I forget the characters name) \u2013 the Monster<\/strong> with the eyes on his palm… [Sohaib: \u201cOh, the Pale Man<\/strong>]… Right! When she goes in to his lair and she takes the grape, he\u2019d [Guillermo<\/em>] originally wanted \u00a0her to eat half the grape and then pull it back and show the other half of the grape in her hand and reveal that she had bitten a baby in half inside the grape. [Sohaib laughs: \u201cOh gosh\u201d]<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

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\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span>And I\u2019ll tell you where he got that idea, because this was also fascinating \u2013 and funny. Ultimately he wasn\u2019t able to do it. Not because it was too dark or too scary or any of that \u2013 they just didn\u2019t have the money to do it the right way in terms of the digital effects required. He also didn\u2019t feel comfortable cutting an actual baby in half. So it was just something that \u2013 it got left on the \u2018idea room floor\u2019 \u2013 they weren\u2019t able to do it, and it was something that he said that when he sees the movie it\u2019s something that he still so wishes. And so always wonder in ten years from now he\u2019ll do a special Deluxe DVD, a BluRay edition or something where [laughs] he manages to digitally cut that into the film.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

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\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span>But it was funny too, he talked about how something like 10 or 20 years ago he was in Mexico<\/strong>, and a woman called (on a psychic hotline radio show, and she talked about) in her dream, she bit into a piece of fruit and had bitten a baby in half \u2013 you know, that\u2019s what she looked at it. I think it was an apple in her hand. And he [Guillermo<\/strong>] said that it was just one of those – and she [the woman caller] was sort of calling to get it interpreted as a dream by the shows radio host \u2013 but that image so<\/em> stuck with him that it wasn\u2019t until \u2013 you know, it was just something he said \u201cI got to put that in a movie\u201d [Anthony laughs]. And so he really wanted to put it in Pans Labyrinth<\/strong> but wasn\u2019t able to. So I just thought that was a really neat little antidote. I mean the way it speaks to the way ideas stay with you I guess, when you\u2019ve such a creative mind \u2013 the way his is.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

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Right. Well you know for me I think \u2013 I\u2019m sure on the one hand there might be certain Lord of the Rings fans<\/strong> and fans of the works of Tolkien<\/strong> who might be concerned because they might skew a little dark. But for me I think it almost harkens to what I think the films and the books were alluding to \u2013 which was the emergence of Mankind, and I guess the end of the Magical Era. So to go back and make that magical era part of the real tapestry of Middle-earth leading to the reality of man emerging as the dominant species \u2013 I think that if he takes that tone, if he takes that with The Hobbit<\/strong>, I think it\u2019s going to be a very successful film. I\u2019m personally excited. Is there any possibility you get to speak to him any time soon or no?<\/span><\/p>\n

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Anthony<\/strong>:<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

We\u2019ll see. He\u2019s an incredibly gracious guy and generous with his time, and he specifically said that in fact he\u2019s usually very open in the processing. And I get the sense that, but for the enormous anticipation and the kind of problems with saying too much too soon, he would like nothing \u2013 I mean you get the sense he was sort of bursting at the seams to kind of tell and say more, but for lots of reasons they\u2019ve all just decided that the best thing to do is keep things as much under wraps as is humanly possible for a situation where it\u2019s going to be one of the most scrutinized films from start to finish \u2013 and by start I mean starting 6 to 12 months ago \u2013 and to finish, meaning by the time we see what I\u2019m sure we\u2019ll see some crazy extended editions on DVD four years from now. <\/span><\/p>\n

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Given the scrutiny it\u2019s going to get, I think they\u2019re just keeping their powder dry as much as possible. But he\u2019s a generous guy with his time, and I think (you know I would certainly) weather it\u2019s here in New York<\/strong> or hopping on a plane to New Zealand<\/strong> to speak more with him, I\u2019m certainly up for it \u2013 I\u2019m hoping for the best and the film making process wont so consume him that he won\u2019t be able to come up for air and throw us some juicy pieces along the way. So fingers crossed. <\/span><\/p>\n

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Sohaib<\/strong>:<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

Well, you know Anthony; it\u2019s been fantastic and I want you to come back again because I know you have a couple of projects of your own with Indalo<\/strong>, and I definitely want everyone who\u2019s interested in hearing about not just the film but also Guillermo\u2019s<\/strong> background. <\/span><\/p>\n

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I\u2019m glad you gave us some antidotes about his upbringing as well – to learn more about Guillermo<\/strong> as a Director \u2013 you know again, that\u2019s part of the fun of not necessarily about what we expect to see but it\u2019s always fun to hear about the back stories of the creative minds of all of these projects.<\/span><\/p>\n

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\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span>We\u2019d love to have you again on Fictional Frontiers talking about Indalo<\/strong> \u2013 everything involved with that, and hopefully, and I think that given your interview with Guillermo<\/strong> and again \u2013 please visit theOneRing.net – Anthony\u2019s interview is transcripted on there.\u00a0 <\/span>Hopefully he will give you another opportunity. I just want to say thank you for taking the time Anthony.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

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Anthony<\/strong>:<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

Thanks for having me, and I\u2019m always happy to come back.<\/span><\/p>\n

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Sohaib<\/strong>: <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

Take care, Anthony.<\/span><\/p>\n

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Anthony<\/strong>: <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

You too.<\/span><\/p>\n

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