{"id":26760,"date":"2002-02-21T10:24:27","date_gmt":"2002-02-21T16:24:27","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.theonering.net\/torwp\/2002\/02\/21\/tolkien-talk-at-yale-2\/"},"modified":"2002-02-21T10:24:27","modified_gmt":"2002-02-21T16:24:27","slug":"tolkien-talk-at-yale-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.theonering.net\/torwp\/2002\/02\/21\/26760-tolkien-talk-at-yale-2\/","title":{"rendered":"Tolkien Talk At Yale"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"intro\"><b>The42ndGuy<\/b> writes: Hi there TORN! Sending along a report on a Tolkien event at my school.<\/p>\n<p>On Wed. 20 February, Prof. Edward James, a medievalist at the UK&#8217;s University of Reading, gave a lecture on &#8220;Tolkien and the Middle Ages&#8221; at Yale University.  There weren&#8217;t enough seats in the hall for the over 100 people present&#8211; many latecomers, including me, had to sit in the aisles.<\/p>\n<p>Prof. James&#8217;s talk focused on Tolkien&#8217;s work on &#8220;Beowulf&#8221; as it related to &#8220;The Lord of the Rings.&#8221; I missed the first half, but it seems to have been about Tolkien&#8217;s &#8220;Beowulf&#8221; work (&#8220;The Monsters and the Critics,&#8221; etc.) and his conception of power, since James referred back to that concept several times without explaining it in detail. <\/p>\n<p>As I walked in, James was talking about Tolkien&#8217;s Catholicism as revealed in his fiction. He discussed Frodo as a Christ figure, lembas as the Eucharist, and so forth; these kinds of references, James said, were subtle but pervasive, and only began to strike him after he recently read Tolkien&#8217;s letters, which talk about his faith&#8217;s impact on his fiction several times. These subtleties James contrasted with Narnia, which James said Tolkien called privately &#8220;as bad as they could possibly be&#8221;&#8211; a quote I hadn&#8217;t heard before, and quite a strong one at that!<\/p>\n<p>James concluded by talking about Tolkien&#8217;s work, both academic and fantastic, as a coherent whole. First, he described one critic&#8217;s frustration with &#8220;Beowulf&#8221; for having (I paraphrase throughout in these quotes) &#8220;irrelevancies in the center and all the interesting parts on the periphery.&#8221; This critic was talking specifically about the story of Ingeld, who was Hrothgar&#8217;s old enemy and the kind of duty-bound, vengeful hero this critic preferred to Beowulf: &#8220;the story of Ingeld would be worth far more than acres and acres of dragons.&#8221; (My thought: Tolkien loved &#8220;green great dragons&#8221; so much&#8230; he can&#8217;t have appreciated that!)  Tolkien, James said, loved &#8220;Beowulf,&#8221; and used most of its narrative strategies, such as including peripheral detail that richens the story by reference and gives it resonance. Ingeld serves that kind of purpose in &#8220;Beowulf&#8221;; in Tolkien the many references to his legendarium do the same. James quoted one reviewer who asked, &#8220;Who could possibly care about the cats of Queen Beruthiel?&#8221;  His reply: everyone cares, of course, but since there&#8217;s no answer it makes the world all the more realistic. And in fact, Ingeld does show up in &#8220;The Lord of the Rings,&#8221; after a fashion: Aragorn&#8217;s name, in early drafts, was Ingold. For Tolkien, James said, his fiction was a way of appreciating medieval literature, and a more flexible one than scholarly publication would allow: he could, for example, speculate about how the Anglo-Saxon cavalry would look in a novel. Far from a diversion from his scholarly work, as many of his colleagues and critics claimed, writing his fiction was its culmination.<\/p>\n<p>Questions from the floor dealt with everything from Tolkien&#8217;s relations with C.S. Lewis to the Englishness of the Shire to one woman&#8217;s suggestion that the Dwarves seemed Jewish. The last point was a piece of speculation I hadn&#8217;t heard before, and not entirely without merit: the phrase &#8220;Baruk khazad, khazad ai-meinu&#8221; sounds like Hebrew, they live largely as a diaspora hiding their native language, they are seen by others as a people apart and foreign. James responded with interest, telling the well-known story of Tolkien&#8217;s response to the German publisher who wanted to check on his racial background; but that discussion was speculative and brief, since the questioner was not a devoted Tolkienite and Prof. James knew no Hebrew.<\/p>\n<p>The response afterwards was enthusiastic. It was great to see a gathering of students and professors alike to hear Tolkien discussed seriously, as he deserves.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The42ndGuy writes: Hi there TORN! Sending along a report on a Tolkien event at my school. 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