{"id":113982,"date":"2022-07-29T20:00:23","date_gmt":"2022-07-30T01:00:23","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.theonering.net\/torwp\/?p=113982"},"modified":"2022-07-29T20:00:26","modified_gmt":"2022-07-30T01:00:26","slug":"torn-sdcc-panel-takes-a-deep-dive-into-the-second-age","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.theonering.net\/torwp\/2022\/07\/29\/113982-torn-sdcc-panel-takes-a-deep-dive-into-the-second-age\/","title":{"rendered":"TORn SDCC Panel Takes a Deep Dive into the Second Age"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p class=\"intro\">TheOneRing.net wrapped up San Diego Comic-con with a panel focused on the Second Age of Middle-earth. The panelists wove insights with skill and knowledge into a flowing tapestry to rival those in the halls of Menegroth.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Held in Room 6A of the Convention Center, the panel was moderated by Justin Sewell, host\/producer TORn Tuesdays (YouTube), the panel included Matt, host of Nerd of the Rings (YouTube); Anna Mar\u00eda, actor and activist (@onlyannamaria\/Twitter); Willie Jenkins aka KnewBettaDoBetta (TikTok); Clifford Broadway, writer, actor, host TORn Tuesdays; and Dr. Corey Olsen, founder of SignumUniversity (@TolkienProf).<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-large is-resized\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.theonering.net\/torwp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/panel2crop-1-1024x469.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-113993 no-lazyload\" width=\"566\" height=\"259\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.theonering.net\/torwp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/panel2crop-1-1024x469.png 1024w, https:\/\/www.theonering.net\/torwp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/panel2crop-1-300x137.png 300w, https:\/\/www.theonering.net\/torwp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/panel2crop-1-768x352.png 768w, https:\/\/www.theonering.net\/torwp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/panel2crop-1-1536x703.png 1536w, https:\/\/www.theonering.net\/torwp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/panel2crop-1-255x117.png 255w, https:\/\/www.theonering.net\/torwp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/panel2crop-1.png 1975w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 566px) 100vw, 566px\" \/><figcaption>Justin, Matt, Anna Mar\u00eda, Willie, Cliff, Corey<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p>First discussed was how important maps are to the Tolkien Universe. Willie advised that if you have trouble understanding Tolkien\u2019s work, start with the maps; by studying them, you\u2019ll have an easier time understanding the texts. Corey pointed out that N\u00famenor is so far south on the map, it would be a sub-tropical climate. Anna Mar\u00eda explained that Tolkien\u2019s legendarium centers around movement.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The veracity of this point hit home for me. From the time of the birth of the Elves in Cuivi\u00e9nen, the peoples of Middle-earth are always on the move. When the Elves migrate to Valinor, many were sundered from the larger group along the way forming the different branches of the Elves. The Noldor\u2019s return to Middle-earth had devastating consequences on the people and the land, and this backwards migration formed the various Elvish kingdoms that were scattered throughout Beleriand, the remnants of which formed the population of ME in the Third Age. A Third Age example is when the Rohirrim (then called the \u00c9oth\u00e9od) living in the northern Vales of Anduin were granted Calenardhon, which became Rohan, for helping Gondor in its time of need. And of course, the story of the Lord of the Rings revolves around the Fellowship\u2019s journey throughout the lands of the Third Age. Much like the world we live in, it is the movement of people that tells the tale of history.<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-full is-resized\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.theonering.net\/torwp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/Amazon-map-3-7-19.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-113984 no-lazyload\" width=\"729\" height=\"532\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.theonering.net\/torwp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/Amazon-map-3-7-19.jpg 978w, https:\/\/www.theonering.net\/torwp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/Amazon-map-3-7-19-300x219.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.theonering.net\/torwp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/Amazon-map-3-7-19-768x561.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.theonering.net\/torwp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/Amazon-map-3-7-19-219x160.jpg 219w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 729px) 100vw, 729px\" \/><figcaption>Amazon Prime Video map of Middle-earth in the Second Age<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p>The panel moved on to talk about the Silmarils and the Oath that F\u00ebanor and his seven sons took to recover the gems and how the consequences of those actions impacted all the events that came after, all the way down to the Third Age. Dr. Olsen made the point that the fallout from these events caused the surviving Elves to be predisposed to making the Rings of Power as a means to protect their realms.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Next discussed was which materials Amazon has the rights to develop in the series. The panel drew the conclusion that with Simon Tolkien consulting on the series, nothing is off-limits because the show runners can go to the estate and ask permission if they feel they need to include material that is not in the Appendices.<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-large is-resized\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.theonering.net\/torwp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/Two-trees-1024x423.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-113987 no-lazyload\" width=\"820\" height=\"338\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.theonering.net\/torwp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/Two-trees-1024x423.png 1024w, https:\/\/www.theonering.net\/torwp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/Two-trees-300x124.png 300w, https:\/\/www.theonering.net\/torwp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/Two-trees-768x317.png 768w, https:\/\/www.theonering.net\/torwp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/Two-trees-1536x634.png 1536w, https:\/\/www.theonering.net\/torwp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/Two-trees-2048x846.png 2048w, https:\/\/www.theonering.net\/torwp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/Two-trees-255x105.png 255w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 820px) 100vw, 820px\" \/><figcaption>The Two Trees of Valinor \u2013 Laurelin and Telperion<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p>Justin asked the panelists what they wanted to most see in the 50-hour series. Responses included:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u2022 The War between Sauron and the Elves<br>\u2022\u00a0The Creation of the Rings<br>\u2022\u00a0The War of the Last Alliance: \u201cThere is so much more to that battle and that war than we saw [in the Peter Jackson\u2019s films.]\u201d \u2013Matt<br>\u2022 The Gradual fall of N\u00famenor: \u201cThe theme of the inevitability of lovely things that fade\u2026I\u2019m excited to watch the struggle of N\u00famen\u00f3reans over time becoming more and more resentful of their mortality. Of longing for the gift of the Elves\u2019 agelessness\u2026Of having the relief of death twisted by Morgoth.\u201d<br>\u2013Anna Mar\u00eda<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-large is-resized\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.theonering.net\/torwp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/Ent-1-1024x837.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-113996 no-lazyload\" width=\"353\" height=\"288\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.theonering.net\/torwp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/Ent-1-1024x837.png 1024w, https:\/\/www.theonering.net\/torwp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/Ent-1-300x245.png 300w, https:\/\/www.theonering.net\/torwp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/Ent-1-768x628.png 768w, https:\/\/www.theonering.net\/torwp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/Ent-1-196x160.png 196w, https:\/\/www.theonering.net\/torwp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/Ent-1.png 1414w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 353px) 100vw, 353px\" \/><figcaption>Ents!?!<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p>Cliff pointed out how The Second Age is about loss. The N\u00famen\u00f3rean story is the story of Atlantis with N\u00famenor renamed Atalant\u00eb (the downfallen) after it&#8217;s fall. He talked about how the Ents in the trailer remind us that Tolkien had ecological interests and suggested that the Ents and Entwives must come into conflict with the N\u00famen\u00f3reans because of the island-dwellers&#8217; need for wood to build ships. He said his spirit might break if by the end of season five the Ents have lost the Entwives, but that this could narratively connect with events in the Third Age.<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-full is-resized\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.theonering.net\/torwp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/Corey.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-113989 no-lazyload\" width=\"198\" height=\"190\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.theonering.net\/torwp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/Corey.jpg 1000w, https:\/\/www.theonering.net\/torwp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/Corey-300x289.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.theonering.net\/torwp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/Corey-768x739.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.theonering.net\/torwp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/Corey-166x160.jpg 166w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 198px) 100vw, 198px\" \/><figcaption>Dr. Corey Olsen<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p>As a fan, Dr. Corey Olsen was reassured by the show runners: \u201cThe primary theme of this show is hope. That there is a lot of darkness, there is going to be a lot of grimness in this because Tolkien does not shy away from that, but at the end of the day it is always about hope. Patrick McKay said that the scene with Sam looking up at the star in Mordor was his favorite scene in the Lord of the Rings, I said \u2018he\u2019s our people.\u2019\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Matt was hopeful that all the John Howe\u2019s drawings for the show (48 full sketchbooks) might end up in book form on our bookshelves.<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-large is-resized\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.theonering.net\/torwp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/anna-and-willie-1024x776.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-114000 no-lazyload\" width=\"295\" height=\"223\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.theonering.net\/torwp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/anna-and-willie-1024x776.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.theonering.net\/torwp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/anna-and-willie-300x227.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.theonering.net\/torwp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/anna-and-willie-768x582.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.theonering.net\/torwp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/anna-and-willie-211x160.jpg 211w, https:\/\/www.theonering.net\/torwp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/anna-and-willie.jpg 1200w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 295px) 100vw, 295px\" \/><figcaption>Anna Mar\u00eda and Willie<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p>Willie was excited about seeing Khazad-d\u00fbm and Eregion at its height, and Cliff pointed out that this was a time of cooperation between Elves and Dwarves, unlike in the Third Age. Anna Maria reminded us that the Second Age is actually a post apocalyptic setting.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The discussion moved on to how Tolkien is inclusive and for everybody. The author was opposed to racism in all forms as attested to in many of his writings and letters. Justin asked for us to all keep an open mind and an open heart going into the show, while Matt said he\u2019s just excited to escape to Middle-earth.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Throughout, the audience was enraptured, but proof of the lasting impact of the event is that the panelists have stories about audience members coming up to them after the panel and thanking them for bringing things to light about their favorite characters.<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-large is-resized\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.theonering.net\/torwp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/Isildur-3-1024x567.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-114001 no-lazyload\" width=\"745\" height=\"412\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.theonering.net\/torwp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/Isildur-3-1024x567.png 1024w, https:\/\/www.theonering.net\/torwp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/Isildur-3-300x166.png 300w, https:\/\/www.theonering.net\/torwp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/Isildur-3-768x425.png 768w, https:\/\/www.theonering.net\/torwp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/Isildur-3-1536x851.png 1536w, https:\/\/www.theonering.net\/torwp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/Isildur-3-2048x1135.png 2048w, https:\/\/www.theonering.net\/torwp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/Isildur-3-255x141.png 255w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 745px) 100vw, 745px\" \/><figcaption>Isildur from the &#8220;Rings of Power&#8221; trailer<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p>For instance, Anna Maria, Corey and Willie spoke about Isildur and how we only know him from the Peter Jackson LotR prologue where we see him refusing to throw the One Ring into the Cracks of Doom. From this scene, many people took away that Isildur was a fool, if not a villain. But we were assured that Isildur was a hero, one of the Faithful who risked his life to save the White Tree. He was one of the founders of Gondor, a great and wise ruler, and we shouldn\u2019t judge him on his one mistake because there was no one in Middle-earth who could resist the power of the One Ring and throw it in the fire. Certainly not Frodo. Even Galadriel and Gandalf were both afraid to touch it, knowing it would corrupt them.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>From the audience reaction, I\u2019d say that everyone\u2019s curiosity about the Second Age has been piqued, and that most people are excited to find out how Amazon Prime Video will handle this less well-known period in Middle-earth\u2019s history.  <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>For more analysis, check out TORn Tuesdays every Tuesday a 8pm ET\/5pm PT.  <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/c\/TheOneRingNet\/videos\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/c\/TheOneRingNet\/videos<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>TheOneRing.net wrapped up San Diego Comic-con with a panel focused on the Second Age of Middle-earth. 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