Why on (Middle-)earth was Isildur allowed to keep the One Ring?

Long ago, Sauron wreaked havoc upon Middle-earth. After Celebrimbor first created the rings of power, Sauron forged his own – intent on domination. He took Celebrimbor’s rings and used them to seduce nine kings of men to his side and to attempt to corrupt seven dwarven lords. Laying waste to Eregion, he pursued Elrond, who established Rivendell as a stronghold and shelter.

His war of domination was only thwarted by the power of Numenor.

Isildur And The One RingUnable to defeat Numenor, he seduced it, stirring up war between the Dunedain of Numenor and the Valar. The breaking of the world and the downfall of Numenor was the result. Only Elendil and some of his people survived, establishing Arnor and Gondor.

Enraged by the survival of Elendil and his sons, Sauron assaulted Gondor, destroying Minas Ithil and setting off the war of the Last Alliance. It was a battle he proved unable to win. Elendil and Gil-galad formed the Last Alliance of elves and men. They lay siege for seven long years outside Barad-dur’s black gates. Both Elendil and Gil-galad perished in the final battle; Isildur cut the ring from Sauron’s black hand. Victory was nigh.

But what happened? Having defeated Sauron, and being right at the Ring of Doom, why did they ultimately fail and not destroy the One Ring?

Elrond At The Ring Of DoomWhy did Isildur choose to keep the ring? Was weregild simply an excuse? A rationalisation? Was a more insidious influence already at work?

History shows that the elves were less susceptible to Sauron’s influence. Was it an accident that the ring went to a man rather than an elf?

And why did the elves give in so easily to Isildur’s desire to keep the ring? Does this validate or provide the cause of the division between men and elves? What would have happened if Elrond and Cirdan had tried to force the ring from Isildur? And would they have been justified in doing so?

Join us in the Hall of Fire on Saturday August 27 at 5:30pm EDT as we discuss the decisions made by Elrond and Cirdan at the end of the Last Alliance of men and elves, and the beginning of the Third Age.

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Saturday August 27

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3.30pm MDT
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11.30pm Central Europe

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9.30am (Sunday) Wellington

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If Lord Of The Rings actor Elijah Wood ever worried about being typecast as a result of his role in the fantasy epic, his latest venture looks set to allay all such fears. The former Hobbit was in the Scottish capital this week for a gala screening of his new flick Green Street, part of the Edinburgh film festival’s line-up. [More]

Now with the November release date quickly approaching, the creators of RINGERS: LORD OF THE FANS are trekking across the U.S. to promote the film — one exciting show after the next — across the Southeastern states! If you are headed to Orlando for ELF you can see an exclusive panel event with the writers and director, where they will show for the first time anywhere the “Behind the Scenes” story to be featured on the upcoming DVD (wait till you see the awesome new footage with star Dominic Monaghan!) and other panels too. One weekend later, the team heads to Dragon*Con in Atlanta for the biggest genre geek party of them all where even more will be revealed. See the new RINGERS trailer and special clips shown exclusively at these events! [More]

Now with the November release date quickly approaching, the creators of RINGERS: LORD OF THE FANS are trekking across the U.S. to promote the film — one exciting show after the next — across the Southeastern states! If you are headed to Orlando for ELF you can see an exclusive panel event with the writers and director, where they will show for the first time anywhere the “Behind the Scenes” story to be featured on the upcoming DVD (wait till you see the awesome new footage with star Dominic Monaghan!) and other panels too. One weekend later, the team heads to Dragon*Con in Atlanta for the biggest genre geek party of them all where even more will be revealed. See the new RINGERS trailer and special clips shown exclusively at these events!

Enjoy extended audience discussion along with revealing stories in the filmmakers’ own words of how Dominic Monaghan (Lord of the Rings, Lost) came on board as narrator, while they traveled the world documenting all things LOTR.

Here are the details:

ELF Event in Orlando, Florida, held at the Whyndam Orlando Resort Hotel at 8001 International Drive [CLICK HERE FOR FULL SCHEDULE]

RINGERS will have its main stage presentation on Friday, August 26, 2005, at 2:40 PM. Enjoy extended audience discussion with writer/producer/director Carlene Cordova and writer/producer Cliff Broadway. Thrill to the new footage and comedic hijinx of “The Ring Comes Full Circle” to be shown first at ELF!

They will also appear on panels “Did Jackson Make LOTR Cool Again?” on Saturday at 5:00PM in the Jasmine Room — and “Which Characters in PJ’s Movies Came Closest to Tolkien?” on Sunday at 3:00PM (same room).

DRAGON*CON Weekend, held at the Marriott Marquis and Hyatt Regency in downtown Atlanta, Georgia. [CLICK HERE FOR FULL SCHEDULE]

The RINGERS team expands to include Carlene, Cliff and also debonair producer Jeff Marchelletta who will present never-before-seen clips from the film, the New Trailer, and behind-the-scenes surprises! Find us in the “International South” room on Friday, Sept. 2, 2005, at 7:00PM showing “Rock & Roll & Ringers” and a lively chat about how the classic rock scene was transformed by Tolkien. On Saturday, Sept. 3, 2005, at 5:30PM in the Copenhagen Room Carlene, Cliff, & Jeff will stir the kettle of debate with “Themes of LOTR” showing more from their award-winning film!

The big event is on Sunday, Sept. 4, 2005, at 5:30PM (tentatively in the “International South” room) with the RINGERS: LORD OF THE FANS where we preview the outstanding “The Ring Comes Full Circle” feature from the upcoming DVD, revealing production secrets never before told and filled with new exclusive interview footage with star narrator Dominic Monaghan!

A sensation at film festivals around the world, Ringers is an award-winning, soon-to-be released feature documentary exploring how The Lord of the Rings has influenced Western pop culture for over 50 years.

Craig writes: At least 7 cast members of the LOTR movies are scheduled to attend the 30th annual Toronto International Film Festival, which runs from September 8 to 17th this year. [More]

Craig writes: At least 7 cast members of the LOTR movies are scheduled to attend the 30th annual Toronto International Film Festival, which runs from September 8 to 17th this year:

Sean Bean will support Niki Caro’s NORTH COUNTRY, screening at 6:50 PM on Monday Sept 12 at Roy Thomson Hall.

Cate Blanchett will support Rowan Woods’ LITTLE FISH, screening at 3 PM on Sunday Sept 11 at the Elgin Theatre.

Orlando Bloom will support Cameron Crowe’s ELIZABETHTOWN, screening at 9:30 PM on Saturday Sept 10 at Roy Thomson Hall (right after A HISTORY OF VIOLENCE).

Sir Ian McKellen will support Joshua Michael Stern’s NEVERWAS, screening details TBA Tuesday Aug 30.

Viggo Mortenson will support David Cronenberg’s A HISTORY OF VIOLENCE, screening at 6:30 PM on Saturday Sept 10 at Roy Thomson Hall (followed by ELIZABETHTOWN).

Hugo Weaving will support Rowan Woods’ LITTLE FISH, screening at 3 PM on Sunday Sept 11 at the Elgin Theatre.

Elijah Wood will support Liev Schreiber’s EVERYTHING IS ILLUMINATED, screening details TBA Tuesday Aug 30.

As the festival runs 10 days, not all of the stars will necessarily be in town at the same time, but who knows, there may be some LOTR reunions taking place. Of note, Roy Thomson Hall screenings are across the street from the Princess of Wales Theatre where the Lord of the Rings musical will debut in February 2006.