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該日誌提出相反的時間順序 ,結合意見和評論者撕破員工。 對於一個連續時間順序記錄的聊天,你可以找到一個在這裡 。
撕裂的工作人員正在繼續仔細考慮這對他們做的,我們正在添加意見。 我們希望你喜歡。(最後更新:下午9時10分美國東部時間)
參與了討論:助理新聞編輯MrCere和maegwen,綠色圖書編輯Tookish,狄摩西尼 , 摧毀客運大樓Tehanu。 另外利奧,jincey等。
討論的啟示
飽經戰亂之苦的聊天室“Barlimans”或我們的messageboards。
闢 :行,我們這裡幾乎做伙計,我們有我們的最後Q這是最流行的問:從1000人的誰提前發出Q報告。
哪些行為者指環王將回到自己的角色 , 在出演的哈比和與之配套的電影嗎?
氣體放電管 :很顯然,在這個階段,第二個電影仍在計算出,這樣的演員已經接近或沒有可能出現在哈比人作為文學作品,但仍可能出現在第二個電影,因為它“融合”為該三部曲和擴大。 因此,我們可以說是:毫不含糊的,每一個演員源自一三部曲中的作用將被要求參加,並出演了。 如果健康,可用性或願意成為障礙-只有在這種情況下會考慮重新塑造。
闢 :同吉列說,除了極端情況下,我們永遠不會重新塑造一個人物誰出現在魔戒三部曲。 你可以閱讀的哈比人,很有可能看到的字符發揮作用。 未知因素是電影的兩個,我們仍處於發展階段。 如果我們想編寫一個字符的指環王進入第二敘事電影,我們只做到這一點,演員與祝福,並willingess參加。 否則,我們就採取書面另一個方向。
氣體放電管 :時間到了,但我可以自豪地說,只有少數問:“我怎麼能多?”所以我的心膨脹威西自豪的許多問題,你很友好地提出,更多聊天和郵件中徘徊議會在等待著我們,很快再見...
闢 :所以這是它為我們今天上午或傍晚,或半夜無論身處何地。 我們很抱歉,就是我們可以得到通過,但我們確實試圖使每一個代表的QS類似的事情,許多你問。 因此,希望它給你一點點的信息。 正如我所說的事實是有很多的解答Q報告以及我們在此階段的進程。 我們會知道更多,一旦劇本寫的是下一代的工作,我們將做的和將採取的最其餘今年我想像。 希望這有所幫助,並感謝你的所有難以置信的支持現在和過去的歲月。 最良好的祝愿,彼得J
氣體放電管 :5月,毛在您的腳趾等,
闢 :在此聊天的談話內容可在此間維塔網站在幾個小時的時間。 這裡每個人都在期待維塔的來臨這種關係繼續與您在整個小矮人的經驗和有很多有趣的驚喜來在未來4年。
maegwen:對不起傢伙! 我們擊敗你了!
氣體放電管 :萬歲維塔和許多“玩具”,他們做! 並可能邪神給我更多的貨架,把它們的...
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當德爾托羅承認他的蔑視矮人和“劍與涼鞋”幻想,他怎能不正義的電影? 為什麼不能直接彼得後 , 它自己可愛的骨頭? 他可以直接這2片 , 然後直接在第三Tintinmovie。
氣體放電管 :好,如果以“劍與涼鞋”你的意思“劍與魔法”我堅持自己的大致輪廓我的發言在2006年。 但是,請允許我複製以下一段從ONERING.net並展開它,
由於年齡的4我成了一個熱心讀者和收藏的書籍,手稿,小冊子,第一版本,小記者或磨損下來的平裝書...他們都找到一個家在我的圖書館,變得如此麻煩又礙眼的,我不得不動議到一個單獨的家庭,從家庭的一員...
幾十年來我的主要領域的利息已恐怖小說:阿爾杰農布萊克伍德,阿瑟梅琴議員,塗謹申,樂法努醫師等和經典童話故事和文學有關引擎的神話:刪節格林,安徒生,王爾德,貝特爾海姆,韃靼等
現在,然後我沉迷於科幻(而不是硬件,更人性化的東西),因此我指望布拉德伯里,埃利森,鱘魚和勿地臣都是我的最愛。
我區的利益得到更加狹窄,當我們處理另一種流派的風格...這是擱置在幻想。
作為一個年輕人我讀考克,克拉克頓史密斯勳爵鄧薩尼,勞埃德亞歷山大,福利茲雷柏,馬塞爾施沃布,稀土霍華德和其他一些。
不過,我從來沒有推入一俟成癮分體裁如劍與魔法或濫殺濫傷神奇的幻想這樣或那樣的,像其他任何類型或體裁有一個偉大的豐富,使得它難以辨別,當新的“三部曲”或“紀事“是真正來自地方的托爾金的或來自真正的熱情,宗教或其他類似CS劉易斯一樣。
但在這裡我現在:閱讀就像一個瘋子趕上了一個全新的土地,大陸的各種- 1宇宙創造的輝煌語言學家把巫師。
就像他掌握到一個現有的宇宙外的柏拉圖洞穴,托爾金渠道,整個世界,熟練的編織神話和傳說。 在未結的好處是,所有這一切學術博學沒有減少他的故事為僅僅是標本製作。 他實現了煉金術所有自己:他寫的新生活,新鮮雕刻粘土他的動物。
我已在這幾年間熟悉的根源是托爾金的神話和根源Fafhrd或力克或希柏里爾,很多時我喜歡這種複雜的方法,使惡魔狼,形狀器和細長肢蒼白戰士可以編織成的許多故事是成為在最後的一個故事,單一事件,認為什麼是不朽的,在我們大家。
在創建潘神的迷宮我喝了深刻的最嚴格的形式的童話傳說,並試圖經常性的背景,主要圖案的一種本能的韻與世界的幻想和妄想的戰爭和政治(即成年男子的比賽方式進行,相信)在重讀哈比剛剛我很感動發現,通過比爾博的眼睛藏有虛幻的性質,囤積的罪孽和陳腐的戰爭,無論是在西線或在谷中東地球。 孤獨是山的。
當該發了言,在不同的時期迷宮在空中航行服務的推廣,很多時候,我所取得的獨特呼籲說,雖然我還沒有讀過托爾金外哈比人歷險記我一直著迷的三部曲電影。 聲明,我已經有機會在2005年時,闢,弗蘭和我會見了有關Halo。
因此,不,我不是一般的“劍與魔法”的傢伙,或者是“天方夜譚”的傢伙,同樣道理,我不是一個科幻的傢伙,但我會拍一部電影的基礎上埃利森在第二個或在鱘魚或白普理或洋行。 我沒有把野蠻人用劍,但我會殺了解決Fafhrd和灰色鼠標...等等等等...我是一個信徒,但不是教條的。
請允許我把最後,細點,我們的討論。 美學地獄男爵二世完全是流行且色彩飽和,更多的漫畫書/現代比我曾經使用過,但在小矮人,我花了兩年的世界創造一個仙女,精靈,巨魔,等
兩年。 作為一名職業/創意的決定,即任何跡象之前的小矮人。 我寫劇本年前我曾與闢或弗蘭。 換句話說,我專門在過去6年我職業生涯中(與PL和HBII)創造劇場世界上有人居住的仙女,林神,食人魔,巨魔,精靈等
在這方面,我想我是一個幻想的傢伙時,特別是世界上吸引我。 早在侏羅紀時期(一千九百九十三分之一千九百九十二)當克洛諾斯贏得了影評人週在戛納電影節,我被稱為一個“藝術之家的傢伙” -我隨後在巨型蟑螂電影,足以證明是成功產卵兩部續集,讓我共同資助作惡多端的骨幹網,送我回到了一個“藝術之家的傢伙”。 然後,我刀片二,人們認為我是一個“行動的傢伙” -闢經歷了類似的善變的職業生涯夢幻天堂,品味低俗,死活著,等餘蠕動遠離標籤,我希望我能夠避免僅僅是一個“夢幻傢伙”之後特等,HBII和H ...
我的故事我愛(無論什麼貨架巴諾本書分為以下)和我愛的小矮人。
我喜歡它足以給它,在10年我的生活和移動半個世界以外這樣做。
闢 :經指示魔戒三部曲,我真的覺得我把我的心臟和靈魂,這個世界將寫實和故事,只有幾年前。 這個想法再回到比賽中,基本上對我自己的電影,似乎是unsatsifying方式在未來的5年。 不過,我喜歡托爾金和深切關注,我們的電影的。 我無法忍受的是別人的想法使他們沒有我們的參與。 作為一個作家和製片人是完美的方式,我在這裡工作。 吉列有最終的責任指揮,並為他更容易使這些電影的感覺不同,只是因為他不是我的,因此,他有一個最初的設想,用新的思路提供。
相信我,我考慮了很久,並認真思考這一點,我們在這裡所做的將導致更好的電影,我答應你。 而這所有的罪狀!
Guiilermo,我一直認為你是一個有遠見的導演,我愛你的工作 , 請你告訴我什麼是決定性的因素 , 使你同意只直接的哈比?
氣體放電管 :在所有的托爾金文學作品,我只是熟悉小矮人。 我購買了它在11歲時,它打動了人們,但我,當時,我無法連接的三部曲和精靈寶鑽(現在我覺得可口)我未能實現。 我發現他們,不像小矮人,是“過於密集”我幼小的心靈。 我夢見的幽暗密林和史矛革的年齡(事實上,一史矛革,如龍是腳本的一部分的“童話”奧菲莉婭敘述她的弟弟在空中航行服務程序迷宮,是雕刻,但削減預算的原因),但是當我看到彼得承擔三部曲我認為泰德的小矮人就永遠是我。 命題的開支的一半,10年各具特色這些電影收到彼得將atest - 1 5秒“是”我。 人們在我的行業我通常一個人會嘗試創造自己的項目,我仍然非常渺茫,當人們努力和重視,我到大的項目。 幾十年來,我已經通過電影的巨大規模,但是這是一個奇妙的榮幸,我馬上說“是”。
我想評論awesomeness董事的選擇,但我相信 , 不會過時。 關於哈比和無數的小矮人,我想知道如果所有的人都將找到自己的方式進入電影。 在指環王,你有9個獎學金,但你有三部電影 , 以充實他們。 在哈比人,你有13個矮人和一個電影將他們趕都英寸我肯定希望看到所有13個使他們的方式,但你在做什麼看法?
氣體放電管 :托爾金說13矮人,我打算用13個小矮人。 我事實上,使他們感到非常興奮,並讓他們都必須區分和影響的人物。 大部分的戲劇和情感,在過去的第三本書和電影將來自他們。
MrCere“這是我要問的問題
MrCere“13矮人,如何處理所有的,這使我的一天 , 我肯定有很多人
MrCere“氣體放電管計劃使小矮人”distinuishable和影響“
maegwen“我仍然不能完全相信,”讓他們有明顯區別和影響“並不等於”鬍鬚和可愛的矮人。“我希望不會,但13 Gimlis不會使好萊塢營銷高興。 我希望它不會走那條路。MrCere“這是我最喜歡的答問整個聊天。 我愛他沒有預想中 , 一群背景矮人和使用“區別的特徵和影響”。 這將一個困難的挑戰 , 但劇本使電影更好 , 當然是背離書
吉列,假定他們都是返回撰寫了劇本,您會不會寫彼得一起,菲麗帕和弗蘭也?
氣體放電管 :我打算。 他們的意見,在文學創作的劇本是必須的。 我依賴他們,預計要花很多令人愉快的幾個月中徘徊的地球。
Tookish“我覺得寫的電影聽起來像是一個最精彩的部分
德摩斯梯尼“我認為這將會是一種壓力的過程。
maegwen“最佳/最差
德摩斯梯尼“有很多很多廚師攪拌這個鍋。
闢 :編寫一個屏幕玩一組合作者就像是列儂麥卡特尼合作...。 有時一兩個人比其他人在某些地方的過程中,反之亦然,這一切出來的清洗和我們分享平等的信貸在什麼每個人都做,有4我們,我們將能夠建立分工在有趣的方式,每個人都將能夠幫助工藝這些電影。
我想請問先生 , 氣體放電管 , 如果他打算利用(如闢那樣)廣泛霧的繪畫和“大項調查”,描繪的巨大的全景和城市中土或更簡單的電腦動畫? 感謝和歡呼聲。
氣體放電管 :彼得和我都喜歡“老派”的技術。 我喜歡物理袖珍並嘗試使用他們和我一樣能夠並且已經有點迷信一下。 亞光繪畫和“大項調查”,一定會在這些。
我很想知道你將如何處理與惡魔的影片。 將它們看起來像小獸人在魔戒電影還是你要提出一個全新的設計? 還將一切看起來它在魔戒電影或你被重新設計以符合您視力嗎?
氣體放電管 :這是一個領域,我希望我們可以擴大和加強有很大的既定設計的三部曲。 我打算拿出一個非常強大的,新的治療的惡魔。 我也認為Wargs應該重新探討了其作用的哈比人。
有一件事我喜歡看電影 , 從不同的電影工作者 , 是看到自己的夢想放在屏幕上。 但由於這些小矮人的電影目前正在作出配合指環王系列,是否意味著德爾托羅先生的奇妙imaginitive目標將僅限於遵守規則設立的傑克遜先生?
氣體放電管 :我榮幸地漫遊追溯到以前通過的道路,但我肯定你打算採取新的和令人興奮的地方是沒有的三部曲探索。 不過,我們打算,一旦完成後,5部電影將扮演像交響無縫傳輸的工作,您通過這個家居生活
考慮到你伸展哈比人歷險記為2電影可以假設Beorn將精選 , 不會給予湯姆龐巴迪的待遇?
氣體放電管 :我可能是少數,但我絕對喜歡Beorn,我打算功能,他在電影。 BTW我也喜歡結核病相當多...
MrCere“而且,Beorn是在電影
Tookish“拉里怎麼樣利爾森Deisel為Beorn?
MrCere“我喜歡利爾森,一個更好的演員(拯救大兵瑞恩)比他大預算現金牛人記得他的Tehanu“TomBombadil暗示!!!!!
MrCere“問好的羅恩珀爾曼
MrCere“哇! 我錯過了Tehanu,優秀的
MrCere“一個真正多汁珍聞
MrCere“哇,現在我們所謂的氣體放電管”老派“,他自稱”老派“
我的問題有兩個部分。 首先我們注意到的重大轉變 , 在視覺風格 , 從魔戒到哈比由於吉列的獨特的審美? 如果是的話會有一個完整的重新想像設計的地方看到兩本書(即袋和瑞文戴爾完)由於這個不同的風格?
氣體放電管 :基本設計,預先設定的設計將是唯一的“更新”只要是時代的差別。 半個世紀或多或少的在中東地球上並不多,但是,想想多少我們的世界已經改變,從-比如2001年到現在...新的設置和設計應融入了足夠的不覺得自己是一個完全不同的世界,但是的,電影必然會有一些獨特的風格印記。
先生們,兩部分的問題。 第一,拍攝電影或者HD? 第二,範圍或單位?
氣體放電管 :我通常使用的1:85,但我完全尊重彼得計劃的選擇格式使用的三部曲(二時35分01秒),但我打算,現在,拍出這樣的電影,而不是高清。
MrCere“哇! 氣體放電管計劃膜這些電影,而不是使用數字
MrCere“他是老學校 , 愛老被學校和二點三十五分01秒的格式 , 就像魔戒,哇 , 這是一個啟示
如何將新的不同於咕嚕咕嚕的魔戒三部曲,如果在所有?
氣體放電管 :再一次,只在一段時間(他半個世紀的“年輕”),但將安迪和既定的設計將是我們的模板
請問幽暗密林精靈有別於瑞文戴爾精靈的魔戒三部曲?
氣體放電管 :這絕對是我的本意,但我不能再透露的時刻。
德摩斯梯尼“:這是有意義的 , 使不同的幽暗密林精靈。 工作原理與佳能,因為他們西爾(甚至沒有辛達),更質樸 , 比精靈的瑞文戴爾-其中許多人可能是倖存者的廢墟伊瑞詹(即:Noldorin高精靈)。
萊奧“,他們最好頭髮是黑色的,或者說幫助我Manwë ...
我的問題是 , 我認為你會聽到了很多很多 , 我們從什麼材料...你會拉的第二個電影的? 我知道它會與你兩個偉大的船上,但我強大的好奇。 我是一個巨大的球迷都對你和我期待更多的來臨托爾金電影!
氣體放電管 :這個想法是找到一個令人信服的方式加入哈比和研究金,增強了5部電影都在他們的視覺宇宙。 有遺漏和物質足夠的可用的許可資料角逐。 根據協議,但是,第二個電影必須具有相關性和情感強烈,足以引起的生活,但我們必須設法控制的小矮人在一個單一的電影。
闢 :我真的很期待電影發展的兩個。 它給我們的自由,我們並沒有真的有我們的托爾金之旅。 一些你可能會說,本來是一件好事,當然! 哈比人歷險記有趣的是如何創造了感覺托爾金的危險事件展開,它全神貫注甘道夫。 有一個非常多的事件,發生在該60年的差距。 在這個階段,我們不想像電影,它字面上涵蓋60年來,像生物PIC或紀錄片。 我們會弄清發生在60年,並選擇其中一小段的時間來下降和戲劇化的屏幕。 我真的很感興趣,它如何影響哈比人歷險記-我們顯示所發生的甘道夫在他訪問了? 我們將拭目以待。 我們可能已經為電影的種子,我們將兩個微妙的母豬在哈比人歷險記。
萊奧“我想說這是暗示朝甘道夫為中心的故事的電影2
Tookish“我希望他們以後播種寶鑽種子![]()
(工作人員一個長期爭論隨之而來,滾動到末尾)
MrCere:還有充足的空間來推測這部電影和彼得的評論會刺激一些球迷 , 並填寫其他人的恐懼。 正如他所說的枷鎖關閉 , 他們將選擇一短節,而不是整個60年。 哇。
MrCere:將“純粹主義者”我們當中誰絕望和其他學習這只是誰看到它更是良好的,非常有興趣。
生產什麼挑戰 , 你覺得會有不同的哈比和續集相比 , 經驗使指環王?
闢 :讓人驚訝! 每部電影是一個挑戰。 我經常說,拍電影就像是電影學院-你總是學習。 但是,與大多數學校,你永遠不會做它。 你永遠不會知道的一切。 隨著時間的推移,你預料的問題好一點-但新的打你。 你能找出解決辦法,但總有極端的問題你永遠不能猜測。
其中一件事我要享受這方面的經驗是,我將更好地幫助預見的問題和解決這些問題。 當你指揮,你說得對在採煤工作面,總是精疲力竭,往往情緒-我就喜歡被一對夫婦的步驟回來的,只是在那裡我可以幫助。 已經做了它的3倍,導演,還有很多我知道這能有助於消除吉列的方式。
MrCere“這是一個偉大的解釋為什麼闢後退幾步 , 從指導
MrCere“它可能不是全部原因,他欠任何人解釋他的選擇,但很有趣,他計劃利用享受這些電影
你會做一套 , 後來在聊天的過程?
氣體放電管 :令人高興的,高興地進出口的!
闢:我們很樂意這是一個很大的樂趣。 我們剛剛得到的最後一次正式的問題,因為我們正在努力下至最流行的最後幾個
將咕嚕發揮作用的第二部電影? 如果沒有,任何計劃找到一個不同的角色安迪瑟金斯? 因為,我相信大多數人會贊成我,一切都能夠更好地與更多瑟金斯。
氣體放電管 :是的! 正如你們都知道,咕嚕有一個比較有趣的拱經歷和他的聯盟,以舍羅或監禁期間,他在瑟蘭督伊的,等等,但它是早期仍然這麼早的事實,以提供更多的會配合我們的手上,可能適得其反。
氣體放電管 :永遠不會有“太多安迪”
MrCere:董事當然看到很大的可能性與咕嚕,也許安迪可以做到這一點 , 畢竟奧斯卡
MrCere“這些咕嚕問題是非常聰明的太
Tookish“並暗示他是如何看到的方式組合在不同的組成部分哈比人,其他歷史我和任何他們希望包括來自指環王附錄
MrCere“有很多可能性的安迪瑟金斯
Tehanu“後場面咕嚕的監禁使他們有機會發揮我們的同情,所以我們不知道我們是否就咕嚕一邊 , 有時或不
克里斯托弗托爾金如何感受這兩個新電影?
闢 :克里斯托弗托爾金不想參與的指環王電影和我假設他的感受是相同的這兩部電影。 我完全尊重他的,既然他是照顧他的父親遺留的書籍和不想參與別人的解釋,這些故事。
Tookish“闢回答了托爾金用地的問題非常好,明智發言
最近經重讀哈比與我的孩子,我會很驚訝的哈比包含相當線性故事 , 並不一定遵循“三行動”方案典型的電影。 你認為最大的挑戰適應的故事搬上銀幕?
氣體放電管 :有這麼多,我都試圖保護每一個特質的小說,非常的事情似乎“unfilmable”,並且-在我心中,將使驚險的電影。 這部小說是很多,很多的發明和脫臼的敘事(比爾博被一塊石頭擊中,在戰役)比你可能認為在第一。 我認為你可以將一個典型的像博物館的作品,標本和安裝,也可以使它成為活生生的敘述是正確的,然後開展有。
闢 :結構是非常重要的電影,但吉列爾莫說,因此往往結構可以發現,在最不可能的地方! 這很可能建立一個結構化的故事和留住特質。 這將是一部分喜悅寫本。
Tookish“”不同的解釋“的故事...這也形成了一個有讓大家記住這些故事中的地球...他們沒有可讀性的托爾金的著作。
Tehanu“氣體放電管的答案意味著他將避免'視覺施樂'的辦法 , 以適應本書
MrCere“這確實是最大的問題是如何這部電影將最終,結構的腳本
是哈比人歷險記困難或容易適應指環王作為腳本?
闢 :兩者同樣難以完全誠實的。 哈比人歷險記有自己獨特的問題,對這些不同的指環王。
氣體放電管 :不容易,我告訴你,
將被釋放威塔數字這部電影像它與香港的傳奇?
氣體放電管 :我希望如此! 我希望他們所有!
重要的是如何給你創建的整體一致性與彼得的指環王電影和吉列的? 在條款演員,外觀,景觀,評分,外匯-你的目的是讓他們站在自己或與同步的三部曲?
氣體放電管我認為這是一個有點都,世界必須覺得自己在同一個世界。 高寬比,音樂,基本建立了服裝設計,商標和生產,但我很想帶來很多新口味到表中。 哈比人歷險記實質上是一個龐大的序曲,交響工作,主要議題是重提了,但新的調製和引入新的顏色,主題和texturally。
闢 :我愛吉列的交響典故。 在“序曲”,可以有不同的味道,不同的紋理,但是是一個精心設計的介紹什麼跟進。 電影二是完美的戲劇化效果
轉變中,地球上propells我們黑暗的日子到了指環王。 如果指環王是一次大戰,那麼哈比人就像是愛德華七世時代的冒險故事,載於日前發出通知,迫在眉睫的世界風雲。
吉列,將是指導彼得地獄怪客3在某些時候?
氣體放電管 :提供了一些進展,但他仍難以實現,我們將在不久舉行會談。
會拜會儘管安理會在哈比人?
闢 :要早作聲,然後寫的劇本,但肯定是一個想法,我們正在討論。
Tookish“那麼你知道* *他們將包括白議會...問題是如何,何時和在哪裡?
MrCere“是的,這完全正確。 你不能讓這段時間與這些字符 , 並沒有白議會
德摩斯梯尼“有很長一段在安理會中elreond在fotr章在阿拉貢和甘道夫描述與白色的東西理事會和捕獲咕嚕 , 並可能被用作F2代的基礎。 但是 , 他們會必須非常小心 , 不要重疊如何在未完成的故事
德摩斯梯尼“我懷疑 , 這也意味著我們將不會獲得任何”預先“的故事如何甘道夫遇到了索林原本可能是因為這是所有超聲以及。
德摩斯梯尼“極有可能將啟動腳本其中哈比一樣。
氣體放電管 :有一個非常好的機會,如果“差距”充滿某種形式在任何說明。 太早...
喜愛的視頻日記的金剛,你們會做類似的哈比?
闢 :還有很多的問題關於生產日記對互聯網-事實是,吉列,我還沒有討論這個問題還沒有,現在我們有一個真正的計劃實施了互聯網和DVD一側的電影。 你必須認識到,雖然這一宣布是全面的世界,我們在一開始的進程才剛剛開始思考腳本。 我們不是要任何人進入離岸價,但我們已經沒有了那麼遠但在這個過程中,這是一個計劃,我們將制訂過程中,在2009年。
Tookish“我認為 , 視頻日記是一個偉大的構想 , 我肯定會撕裂的愛被視為任何形式的幫助這樣的項目
MrCere“*掌聲*
我一直以為會創造咕嚕artisic構成巨大挑戰的藝術家 , 其工作將是適應魔戒。 隨著哈比人 , 我相信史矛革會提出一個偉大的挑戰。 現在 , 我們都看到龍在電影。 但對於我個人哈比除外不亞於令人難以置信。 是你去尋找靈感? 什麼樣式的藝術dirction看? 我個人可以看到很多正在開展的設置從潘的迷宮。 謝謝你 , 祝你好運的。
氣體放電管 :這是一個大家庭,請允許我對我的報價表上Onering.net隨機響應...
我是大龍迷。 我曾經說過,以前,我有幸出生一龍在中國Horocope ...
雖然它始終不能同意的“最大”什麼,我帶出這兩個電影的主要競爭者為某書名:艾溫德厄爾/迪斯尼Maleficent龍(1勝利優雅的色彩及設計)和Vermitrax貶義的屠龍記。
我認為,所有其他大量的設計借鑒了這兩個。 我打算創造一些新的和開創性。
Smaug should not be “the Dragon in the Hobbit movie” as if it was just another” creature in a Bestiary. Smaug should be “The DRAGON” for all movies past and present. The shadow he cast and the greed he comes to embody- the “need to own” casts its long shadow and creates a thematic / dramatic continuity of sorts that articulates the story throughout-In that respect, Smaug the CHARACTER is as important, if not more
important, than the design. The character will emerge form the writing- and in that the Magnificent arrogance, intelligence, sophistication and greed of Smaug shine through-
In fact, Thorin's greed is a thematic extension of this and Bilbo's “Letting go” and his noble switching of sides when the dwarves prove to be in the wrong is its conceptual counterpart (that is a hard one to get through, Bilbo's heroism is a quiet, moral one) and the thematic thread reaches its climax in the Bilbo / Thorin death bed scene.
Anyway, back to Smaug: One of the main mistakes with talking dragons is to shape the mouth like a snub Simian one in order to achieve a dubious lip-synch. .. A point which eluded me particularly in Eragon, since
their link is a psychic one.
To me, Smaug is the perfect example of a great creature defined by its look and design, yes, but also, very importantly, by his movement and -One little hint- its environment – Think about it… the way he is scaled, moves and is lit, limited or enhanced by his location, weather conditions, light conditions, time of the year, etc. That's all I can say without spoilers but, if you keep this curious little summary you'll realize several years form now that those things I had in my mind ever since doodling the character as a kid had solidified waaay before starting the shoot of the film.
A big tool is also how and when he is fully revealed. I could give you specifics- beat-by-beat in fact (I'm geeking out to do it), but…
I will say no more in order to save you from ruthless spoilerage (we have a few years to go, you now…?) and increased anxiety.
Let me, however, say that this is actually one of the points I feel most enthusiastic about.
As to his voice- well, each reader has a Smaug voice in his / her head, just like you always do when “hearing” a great character in a book.
I have mine… and it will be revealed in time…
Tookish> this paragraph is RIFE with information about how they will be treating smaug… awesome!
Tookish> woohoo GTD with the TORn reference!!
MrCere> Can you believe how fast he just typed all that?
MrCere> Script should be done by 11 pm
Any ideas about the talking wargs? the wargs in hobbit are remarkably different from the “hyena” ones in the LOTR movies..
GDT : Absolutely: they will be different from the Hyena ones established in the Trilogy- they will be faithful to the creatures in the book and will be redesigned accordingly.
Tookish> Here we see an example how, while they will be striving to make five connected movies, there will be some contrasts from what's established in PJ's LotR… hopefully for the better.
(隨機評論說溜進主流:一個擰沒有雞姦會回答我們的問題 , 我們不妨互相交談!我想我們應該較早前提出的問題 , 因為它似乎他們正在回答!)
闢 :這些壞蛋在Wgtn和倫敦涉水通過6000 Q表竭盡所能。 每個Q回答代表了多少類似的問題。
氣體放電管 :當他們說,在家庭內部的爭鬥:“調查報告指出:”
彼得,也許你可以澄清你的角色將在生產這些電影:究竟執行製片怎麼辦? 請問您按照這個模式或“開拓自己的道路?”如何將吉列的作用和你的角色有所不同? 你計劃寫劇本再次弗蘭和Phillippa?
闢 :真理是“執行製作人”做了一系列關於電影的東西很多,從幾乎沒有什麼! 我認為自己是其中一個生產隊。 我的興趣是幫助吉列做出最好的電影,他可以。 我愛寫作,我期待著這一點。 吉列將編寫,隨著弗蘭,菲麗帕和我自己。 作為一個導演,我也從來沒有直接的東西,我沒有書面的手,我們不期待吉列這樣做,要么。 如果導演是寫作的一部分,這意味著他在那裡討論時發生的故事,決定了...他知道為什麼事情是這個樣子,以及他們需要實現。 一切都在腳本中是有原因的,只有一部分是寫作組(或書面自己),你真正了解打算每跳動。
我看到我的角色看成是一部分,寫作團隊,將創建藍圖,然後幫助吉列興建電影。 我想吉列使他的電影,我要確保我們最終有5電影系列的那樣好,都不可能。
MrCere“大闢回答有關他自己的角色,他又支持氣體放電管
MrCere“證實了他暗示 , 氣體放電管將有助於寫作過程
maegwen> personaly I'm thrilled there will be another voice at the writing table. I think continuity is wonderful, but I think fresh perspectives are absolutely necessary to keep it interesting.
Tookish> Yeah… and I like how PJ clarifies his role in the writing phase… knitting the five films together and connecting the two hobbit films will take his touch
Tookish> I wonder how or if they will weave in references to more backstory and ME history… eluding to stories, characters or myths from The Silimarillion…
MrCere> I wonder how much they can get away with
Tookish> Larry you mean in terms of legality?
MrCere> yes
What will be the title for the second movie?
GDT : Too early- but not “H2 Electric Boogaloo” that has been discarded.
MrCere> Wow, GDT knows geek-speak and refers to the all-time funny sequel “Electric Boogaloo”
PJ : the second movie doesn't have a title yet and probably won't until we write the script. As you will see we have the incredibly boring name Film Two which I assure you will not last for very long. Just bear with us.
will Alan Lee and John Howe be on board again? I really admire their work.
GDT : As I said, I had a marvelous lunch with John and Alan in London a few days ago and we all got very excited as we discussed my ideas on Smaug, Mirkwood, etc They are most definetly back!
PJ : Impossible to imagine it without them!
Tookish> It is reasuring to know that Howe and Lee will be on the design team… that in itself will cement major conceptual and visual aspects of the next two movies to the LotR films
Tookish> so we have howe, lee, shore, WETA and GDT's team together…. sounds like a good combo to me!
MrCere> I wonder if they will invite Ted Nasmith and if he will not be too busy to participate this time?
So how was your first meeting with each other?
PJ : The first time I remember meeting Guillermo was at Bob Shay's hosue during a LOTR party. Obviously at that time we had no concept of what the future held!!
GDT : We finished a tray of shrimps together and agreed that NEW LINE should keep hiring round, bearded directors with funny accents…
Guillermo del Toro is an accomplished director. I just wondered whether ok not, he will bring more prostetics, animatronics and physical effects to the film, as he does with such films as Hellboy and Pan's Labyrinth (which are great films by the way)? Or will Weta Digital still have their work cut out for them with VFX?
GDT : I plan to mix CGI and PHYSICAL in such a way that your eye wonders which is which- keep you mind busy but NEVER allowing for the weaknesses of either tool to take over. Yes, I have, by trial and error, learned that both tools need to be mixed and how much they must be mixed to succeed in creating environments and living creatures. WETA is the lead house, absolutely but we will expand the creature team and beef up the prosthetics team. Imagine a physical creature with a radio controlled muscle / facial system but with partial CGI replacement on the head or mouth, etc and you'll start to get the idea…
MrCere> Both directors share the vision and opinion that physical, practical special effects are a lot more “special” than CGI
MrCere> GDT again alludes to animatronic creatures, probably including dragons
Tookish> Yes, and that's one of the things that made much of LotR so realistic
Tookish> The WETA team have done some great animatronics with the Narnia creatures.
Tookish> I like the way that GDT spelled out how the mix of animatronics and cgi will solve these problems….
maegwen>I'm not a huge fan of animatronics at all, but i'm willing to see what they come up with — not that I have a whole lot of choice![]()
Are you already go to New Zealand, Mr.Del Toro ?
GDT : Yes- Ive been actually been thyere already -secretly- shh- and will be there shortly after HELLBOY II opens and will be getting a LOT of frequent flyer miles in the next few months-
During production of the trilogy, there were days where there were several filming crews working simultaneously, with different people directing. Would you ever want to head up a crew and direct the shooting of a scene for a day?
PJ : Most directors prefer to direct everything themselves. I thought I could on LOTR, but very quickly found out that the sheer scale prevented it. Instead of a 15 month shoot, we would have shot for 3 years! Guillermo always shoots his own material, so we'll do our best to construct a schedule that allows him to do that. It will depend a lot on how the scripts break down.
I'd happily shot some second unit stuff, anytime Guillermo asked me to. But let's see what happens.
MrCere> So this alludes to multiple units but on the Hobbit at least, the story happens in one place at one time with one cast
MrCere> The 2nd film might require many units like LOTR did
Tehanu> PJ's making it clear he's stepping aside and giving GDT autonomy, letting him call the shots
Tookish> yep… and that he'd work UNDER del Torro… how cool is that!
MrCere> Erica is right, that is a clear indication that he is saying, “I am not the director”
Was it intentional to release the first Hobbit film on the 10 year anniversary of FOTR?
PJ: No this is the first time I have actually thought about it … that is nice I will claim credit for the idea from this day forward
Will the two movies be shot at the same time?
GDT : The idea is to shoot them “back to bacK” with a small break to breathe and to reconstruct certain sets and have time to reasses… But a schedule of a year is expecvted.
PJ : Yes the movies will be shot back to back and the shooting of the movie will be driven by which actors are working with us at a given time and what locations we are in. For instance, if we are shooting hObbiton scenes for Hobbit movies we would also shoot Hobbiton scenes for F2. So during our year of filming we will be shooting both movies at the same time out of sequence.
Tookish> The responses confirm what we have already heard about The Hobbit standing alone in film one and then more storyling coming together for film two
Hi. Do you intend to play this one by the Book (The Hobbit that is) and make it a very light childrens tale on film, or do you plan to stick with the much darker treatment- in keeping with the LotR films – particularly the latter ones. My personal preference would be for the latter – cannot see how eg. the Rivendell Elves could regress from their nobility in LotR to those “…Tra-la-la-la….” singing versions which wer in teh Hobbit Book. 謝謝您。 “Tra-la-la-la” singing
GDT : We'll see about the “Tra-la-la-“ later- but the book, I believe, in echoing the “loss of innocence” England experienced after WWI, is a passage form innocence to a darker, more somber state- The visual / thematic progression should reflect that in the camera style, color palette, textural choices, etc.
PJ : As I said earlier, I personally feel that The Hobbit can, and should have a different tone. The “tone” of these stories shouldn't be defined by the pressure our characters were under in LOTR. The world is a different place at the time of the Hobbit. The shadow is not so dark. However, what should stay the same is the reality of Middle-earth, and the integrity we bring to it as film makers.
Tookish> It's interesting that they are seeing parallels with preWWI England and The Hobbit…
[Tookish> …but I'm not sure I agree with the notion that in a few short decades the remaining Elves of ME went from “fa lala lally” to gloom and doom…
Tookish> it's truer to say that the hobbits went from a more blissfully ignorant existence to one more fearful and encroached by the world during that time, but the elves?
MrCere> very interesting point
Did you start casting for the 13 dwarves?
GDT : Nope- no casting has started yet. Casting- I mean… BUt some people have thrown their helmet in the ring.
PJ : no casting has commenced and won't until the scripts are written. We have had chats with one or two ofthe LOTR actors however but the casting will be driven largely by the writing and it is impossible to cast 13 dwarves without knowing their personality and characters. We anticipate we won't be in serious casting mode for these movies until well into next year.
leo> as always I start thinking of my best questions when it is too late
leo> but I would've loved to ask them how they are going to find 13 actors who are silly enough to go through the horrible make-up thing JRD had to go through for months
leo> or maybe they are developing a better solution for the makeup this time around?
Demosthenes> john rhys davies will play all 13 dwarves
Demosthenes> just with different coloured beards
maegwen> like the oompah loompahs in the willie wonka remake
In the Hobbit book, we have talking trolls and the Eagles and Smaug talks as well, however in the LOTR Trilogy, trolls did no more than grunt, Fellbeasts screamed, and the Eagles, who were meant to talk, just stayed silent. How much will the portayle of such animals change in the Hobbit?
GDT : I think it should be done exactly as in the book- the “talking beast” motif has to exist already to allow for that great character that is Smaug. It is far more jarring to have a linear movie and then – out of the blue – a talking Dragon.
MrCere> GDT makes a very good point about previously talking animals setting up Smaug
Tehanu> Wonder if they'll have the moving mouth thing….GDT made a comment about that somewhere, thinking abouthow Smaug would talk
MrCere> T: very good question, HOW will Smaug talk?
MrCere> I think it seems the same way that other animals talk
Tookish> Yes they'll have to have a talking Smaug and it would have to be done with cgi
Tookish> i asked if they'll do motion capture research with lizards and bats…
Tehanu> nice
Tehanu> GDT said somewhere something about making the dragon have 'simian' face characteristics in order to speak, and that he didn't like that. Not sure he said what his solution was.
MrCere> HOW in the world could anybody film dragons, giant spiders, goblins and battle of 5 armies (especially GDT) in a “light hearted” manner like the books and not make “Bridge To Teribithia”?
MrCere> T: He didn't provide a solution, just said he didn't want the dragon to talk like a human, or simian like you just said, I am from the reduncancy department of redundancy
Tookish> lol
Tookish> what are simian face characteristics?
Tehanu> You know, humanoid lips, nose…not a long snout like a reptile
Tookish> ah ok
maegwen> No, it's ape-like
Will we be seeing Legolas in Mirkwood?
GDT : We all think that this is a very interesting idea but the scripts are in process so- sorry,.. too early to tell.
maegwen> and a million fangirls squealed in delight. Well that could offset the 13 not-hot bearded-dwarves problem….
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Will you be using the same production team ie. Special effects, art directors, cinematographers, composer etc..
GDT: Many of them will be back. I will supplement the FX departments, the design departments (with very interesting names), but the crew will utilize as many of the original elements as possible.
Tookish> I'm glad there is a question about the production team… personally I think that it's essential for the production/design and all that goes with it to be identical to that in LOTR… I want these films to have that kind of continuity.
Will the Hobbit get an extended edition like LOTR?
PJ : interesting Q. The truth (and this is the truth) is that you don't plan for extended editions up front an extended edition is the result of left over scenes that have been deleted out of theatrical cut. In an ideal world the script is written lean and tight and therefore there are no scenes left on the cuttring room floor and therefore no extended edition. However when writing 3 epic LOTR films there was no way we could keep the writing process as lean, so the extended edition was a result of seeing our thought process during the writing and shooting play itself out on screen with scenes we no longer needed when we finally cut the films together. Whether there will be an extended edition of the Hobbit will depend entirely on the final theatrical cut and what we have left over.
GDT : That one is REALLY too early to answer… but being a DVD freak (now a B-Ray freak) I think that if you have enough alternative material you can make it accesible on DVD (or BR) format… Is not a priori that one decides this.
MrCere> I believe PJ and GDT when they say they don't know if there will be extended editions, but I also believe there absolutely WILL BE EXTENDED editions, they will not be able to help it, particularly on the 2nd film
Tookish> Cere, i agree with that
maegwen> It goes back to what PJ says though, and what I've always said, if you plot your story “tight” from the beginning, you shouldn't have all these loose ends unravelling. There are things I like about the LOTR Extended DVDs, but they're also very frustrating — to me — because so much of what really clarified the theatrical version ended up lurking on them. I'd like to see a more concise film. Sorry PJ! (easy to say from the peanut gallery)
So what age rating are you aiming at?
PJ : the rating will be the same as the Trilogy, PG13 on both movies
GDT : An intense PG-13…
MrCere> Wow, so the Hobbit will not be the hard 'R' movie we all thought it would be?
maegwen> good lord
Tookish> lol
Tehanu> People on my screen are saying 'so no dwarf sex scene in the second movie?”
maegwen> mine aren't saying anything
jincey> i think there is only one other person in my room
What was it about Guillermo that made you feel he was the right guy to continue on the saga of Middle-earth? Are the two of you on the same page for the vision, direction, and style that these movies will have? If the two of you disagree on a point, who wins out?
PJ : I'll talk more about this in a later question, but watching his films, he has respect for fantasy. He understands it, he's not frightened by it. Guillermo also understands character, and how the power of any movie is almost always linked to how closely we empathize with characters within the story. His work shows great care and love for the main characters he creates. He also has supreme confidence with design, and visual effects. So many film makers are scared of visual effects – which is no crime, but tough if you're doing one of these movies!
If we disagree, the director has to win, because you should never force a director to shoot something they don't believe in. But we're both reasonably practical and ego-free, and I believe that if we disagree, we both have the ability to express our differing theorys – state our case, like lawyers – and between us, work out what's best for the movie.
Tookish> sounds like GDT will have good rein on the films
MrCere> One thing PJ is doing in this chat is making it crystal clear that his is actually GDT's movie(s). He has gone out of his way to underscore that for fans, anticipating the angst that he isn't directing.
When do you expect filming to begin?
PJ : at this point in time the plan is to write for the rest of this year and start early conceptual designs. 2009 will be dedicated to pre-production on both movies and 2010 will be the year we shoot both films back to back. Post productin follows one film at a time with The Hobbit being released Dec 2011, and F2 release Dec 2012. That is the schedule in about as much detail as we have ourselves at the moment.
Tookish> I like that they'll release two movies in consecutive years… woohoo!
MrCere> Nice of PJ to go beyond the obvious answer and give us some REAL info about the schedule for the films
MrCere> those are news bits that has not be in the news yet
MrCere: I love that Jackson just told us the MONTHS and YEARS of the film releases. The studio is clearly on board with that, but rarely would share with fans. It will be part of the end-of-year tradition of LOTR.
I enjoyed your cameos in the LOTR movies, Will you have a cameo in this Hobbit, and what character would you like to play?
PJ : I actually haven't thought about it. My convention is to do cameos in films I direct. I don't know if that extends to films I produce. I guess we'll find out. I love Hobbits! I am a Hobbit, in very many respects, as were my parents. Tolkien wrote about a type of people he knew, in pre-war England, and somewhere along the line, he must have bumped into my relatives!
GDT : Unllike Peter, I'ma Dwarf ( a coarse creature I am)- but I studiously avoid cameos…
MrCere: That actually characterizes the difference of the two directors rather nicely. While not literally true, it makes it easy for us to get a handle on them, a quick way to characterize them, a film-maker's technique.
Will Ian McKellen return as Gandalf?
GDT : Absolutely!!
PJ : absolutely
Mr. del Toro, have you started keeping a notebook of sketches on this film yet?
GDT : I have started already and shared some of the design a=ideas with Alan Lee and John Howe during a very excited lunch in London.
Will you be filming the Hobbit in 3D?
GDT : At this stage it is too early to tell, but no plans are being made for that at the moment…
What do you envision Gandalf's role will be in this film? He seems to go off on his own and disappear in several sections of the book. Do you want to stay faithful to that or give him a more active role? How do you think you'll ingratiate his character into an effective, cinematic storyline?
GDT : I believe that Gandalf is meant to be used in that way- coming and going in and out of the narrative. If anything, this creates the perfect setting for those “gaps” to be bridged by the second film…
PJ : Those gaps are great! There's a lot of stuff going on, which is distracting him. I'm just pleased to be getting Gandalf the Grey back for two more movies. Ian and I loved him best. We were a little sad when the
Gandy the White took over.
Tehanu> “Gandalf the Grey” – he's a more human, approachable character – more for McKellen's acting chops to work with. Yay!
Tookish> PJ and Ian were sad that Gandy the White took over… lol. I feel the SAME way!
Tookish> awesome
Tookish> Gandalf is kind of cantankerous in The Hobbit
Tehanu> and kind of witty too
Tookish> yep
Will you use the Hobbit holes usd in LotR?
PJ : Yes we hope with the permission of the land owner that we will rebuild Hobbiton bigger and even better than what it was for LOTR in exactly the same location
MrCere: Those holes were saved on the farmer's property, famously, by one of New Zealand's LOTR tours, Red Carpet Tours in fact, which were a day away from being destroyed. It sounds like they will be back in the same location. What nostalgia that will be!
What are the chances Ron Perlman will be voicing Smog?
GDT : At this time the voice of Smaug is down to a very few choices in my head and I have a completely specific one, Ron has a good chance but I have other plans for RP… we will see…
MrCere: Well, there it is, confirmation that Ron P. will be involved in some way. GDT joins the team but also brings his own people along. This will be fascinating to see and we better start figuring out where Perlman fits. I love him for Thorin personally or Beorn
4:17 pm
Tehanu: Confusion in some chatrooms about how unmoderated comments and questions seem to be getting through
Will the Ring trilogy get a blu-ray release around the time of Hobbit? or sooner?
PJ : We are working on a blu ray version of the LOTR trilogy with Warner Bros at the moment, not sure when it is due for release. It certainly won't be this year.
MrCere> There you go, Blu Ray LOTR news
Tookish> Ok, thought: It sounds like GDT is getting his head around the project with his response to the question about darkness and gore.
4:15 pm:
MrCere> I wish they handed out a “What we know so far” primer for fans to catch up! That is my thought so far
MrCere> and I am half kidding of course
My question is to Guillermo, what can we expect from your vision and approach with this picture and I'm guessing there will be alot of dark elements to this film, but how far will you go in terms of horror and violence?
GDT : I hope that Mirkwood can be pretty scary but not graphic, I hope Riddles in the dark has an element of fear and suspense and to be deeply atmospheric but still allow the ingenious, engaging contest to take place. And Smaug should be all shock and awe when he unleashes his anger so, it will be pretty intense but not gorey.
Tookish> There are plenty of opportunities for a dark tone with Mirkwood, the tunnels of the goblins, Goblin Town, Gollum's lake, the Desolation of the Dragon, Mirkwood & the ruin of the kingdom under the mountain
Are you planning to use some location in italy?
PJ : t is unlikely we will shoot any of the Hobbit of Italy, but I would love come to Italy for a vacation, you should tell me the best places to visit.
GDT : Not really- But I love Italy…
Will Hoawrd shore be returnign to do the score?
GDT : Yes- absolutely, Shore is teh VOICE of these films and we will absolutely be invited back. Peter and Fran have talked to him a couple of times already and Ive exchanged emails about the subject. He will return.
Will places other than NZ be considerd for locations?
PJ : It is unlikely we will need any locations outside of NZ which has always been the perfect Middle Earth. there is nothing yet that tolkien has described that we haven't managed to find in this amazing little country and I expect the Hobbit to be no different.
GDT : NOne being considered at the moment.
Tehanu> I wonder what location they will pick for Lonely Mountain, and how much they will use an actual outdoor set for that?
Some asked about the casting of Bilbo Baggins and if Ian Holm is an option:
The fact that Ian Holm is SO memorable means that PJ, Fran and PB did their job right. We will utilize him in some fashion for sure but the difficulty of th erole will be better assesed after we do the script (s).
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4:10 pm It looks as if some people can be seen by PJ and GDT as they answer some people directly.
4:07: First question: Will you be doing less location shooting this time because your team has become so proficient?
PJ : Middle-earth is location, with very few structures really. It's a natural countryside and that's where a lot of shooting will take place.
GDT says: Location will be favored and real set construction. I love REAL set construction and think that sets are very important part of the storytelling and scope of a film…
4:05 pm: They're online!
4:02 pm: I'm in! My chat you can send comments, but you cannot see the other chatters listed in the nick list. You can however talk to them. No sign of action yet, though.
3:59 pm: Any minute now, though I'm still not certain my chat window is working!
3:56 pm: Things are at a fever pitch, I have to say. There are loads of people in TORn's chat, and everyone is trying to see if they're seeing the same things at WETA.
3:50 pm : Tehanu: I've emailed the Weta website guy saying we're seeing different things.
If we get an answer, we'll let you know.
3:49 pm : The instructions say that you may only submit a question to the moderators through the “comment” field. You cannot chat directly to the moderators or GDT by private message. To talk to other fans:
“Your comments can be seen by the others in your group. Each group consists of up to five fans. To have a conversation with the others in your group, simply type your comments into the bottom field, and click on 'Send a Comment'. Your comments won't be seen by Peter and Guillermo or anyone outside your group during the chat event.”
3:45 pm: Right now there seems to be a lot of confusion as people are finding that if they signed on hours ago, their rooms do not have moderators or GDT listed. Most have found that logging out and signing back into the chat puts them in a room with at least those three people.
A typical discussion in the TORn staff chat: Here they go
leo> or maybe a Gollum-centered story for film two
Tookish> i think… a RING centered story
leo> I'd never really thought about that, but I guess its an idea as well
Tookish> all the key events can revolve around the ring
leo> GDT : Yes! As all of you know, Gollum has a rather fascinating arch to go through
leo> this is true
leo> we've all been pondering about Gandalf or Aragorn-centered stories for film two
Tookish> yeah leo he also talks about G coming in a and out of the film
leo> it could be Gollum as well
MrCere> It sure could
leo> his arch is much more interesting then the goody-two-shoes-archs from Gandalf and Aragorn ![]()
Tookish> lol
Tookish> gandalf makes the most sense as the central player
Tookish> a storyline held down by gollum doesn't seem to have as much draw.. and there isn't enough of aragorn to go with….
leo> yeah, but there's very little surprise or growth in his character
leo> Gandalf, that is
leo> his growth is learning about the ring
leo> we already know all about that
Tookish> no way
leo> Aragorn growth (if that is the right word) is coming of age, falling in love, travelling Middle-earth and serving here and there
Tookish> there is a TON of gandalf's growth
Tookish> yeah but how do you make that a movie?
Tookish> his growth is ancilary to gandalf
Tookish> who guesses that Bilbo has the ring
leo> his growth is much easier to visualize then Gandalf's
leo> I think
Tookish> gandalf rises to power in the hobbit
leo> Gandalf's growth is in his mind
Tookish> while Sauruman is the head of the white council, it's also the time when he falls from grace
leo> he learns of things, and acts on them
leo> Aragorn discovers
leo> and Gollum is much more impulsive
maegwen> you guys are funny
Tookish> gandalf knew that a bigger war was coming, so he staged the events of the hobbit to take out smaug
Tookish>
hehe
MrCere> Gandalf is nothing but a user
Tookish> he's the chessmaster… the Vice President of ME
Tookish> and so he moves the players in the hobbit just like LotR
Tookish> aragorn is meerly a pawn
King? ha.
leo> yeah but that is my point Took
<leo> as a movie, the story of the pawn would be much more interesting
<Tookish> so who wants a story about a pawn?
<Tookish> lol
<Tookish> i don't agree
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<Tookish> hehe
<leo> Fool of a Took
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<leo> let us agree to disagree, for now















































