冰雹和福祉会见了！ 欢迎TheOneRing.net氏在今天的聊天吉尔摩德尔托罗和彼得杰克逊的组合博客/日志/评论。

该日志提出相反的时间顺序 ，结合意见和员工的意见撕破。 对于一个连续的聊天时间顺序记录，你可以找到一个在这里 。

撕裂的工作人员正在继续仔细考虑这对他们做的，我们正在添加意见。 我们希望你喜欢。（最后更新：下午9时10分美国东部时间）

参加讨论：助理新闻编辑MrCere和maegwen，绿色图书编辑Tookish，狄摩西尼 ， 摧毁客运大楼Tehanu。 另外利奥，jincey等。

讨论的启示
饱经战乱之苦的聊天室“Barlimans”或我们的messageboards。

辟 ：行，我们这里几乎做伙计，我们有我们的最后Q是从谁的人先遣Q报告1000年代最流行的Q报表。

从指环王的行为者将回到在哈比人出演的角色和与之配套的电影吗？

气体放电管 ：很显然，在这个阶段，第二个电影仍在计算出，所以行为者进行了接触，可能或没有出现在作为文学作品的小矮人，但仍可能出现的第二部电影，因为它“融合”为该三部曲和扩大。 因此，我们可以说是：毫不含糊的，每一个演员的起源三部曲中的作用将被要求参加，并出演了。 如果健康，可用性或愿意成为障碍-只有在这种情况下会考虑重新塑造。

辟 ：同吉列说，除了极端情况下，我们永远不会重新塑造一个字符谁在魔戒三部曲中出现。 你可以阅读的哈比人，很有可能看到的字符发挥作用。 未知因素是电影的两个，我们仍处于发展阶段。 如果我们想写入两种叙事电影的指环王人物之一，我们只会做的，演员的祝福，并willingess参加。 否则，我们就采取书面另一个方向。

气体放电管 ：时间到了，但我可以自豪地说，只有少数问：“我怎么能多？”所以我的心膨胀的许多问题威西骄傲，你是善意地提出，更多聊天和邮件中的游荡议会在等待着我们，很快再见...

辟 ：所以这是今天上午或傍晚，或半夜它无论你是我们的。 我们很抱歉，就是我们可以得到通过，但我们曾尝试有每个代表的QS，你们很多人问类似的事情。 因此，希望它给你一点点的信息。 正如我所说的事实是有很多Q报告为我们解答了很多在这个阶段的进程也。 我们会知道更多，一旦剧本写的是下一代的工作，我们将做的和将采取的今年剩下的大部分我想象。 希望这有所帮助，并感谢所有支持你的难以置信的现在和过去的岁月。 最良好的祝愿，彼得J

气体放电管 ：请问你的脚趾，等头发

辟 ：本聊天可对在数小时内威塔网站在这里谈话。 每个人都在这里维塔的来临正在与你继续这种关系在整个小矮人的经验，有许多有趣的惊喜来了很多在未来4年。

maegwen：对不起家伙！ 我们击败你了！

气体放电管 ：万岁维塔和许多“玩具”，他们做！ 并可能邪神给我更多的货架，把它们的...

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当德尔托罗承认他的蔑视矮人和“剑与凉鞋”幻想，他怎能不正义的电影？ 为什么不能直接彼得可爱的骨头后 ， 它自己呢？ 他可以直接这2片 ， 然后直接在第三Tintinmovie。

气体放电管 ：好，如果以“剑与凉鞋”你的意思“剑与魔法”我坚持我在2006年声明的大致轮廓。 但是，请允许我从ONERING.net复制以下段落和扩大它，

自4岁我成了一个热心读者和书籍收藏家，手稿，小册子，第一版本，小记者或磨损下来的平装书...他们都在我的图书馆找到一个家庭已经变得如此麻烦又碍眼的，我不得不动议到一个单独的家庭，从家庭的一员...

几十年来，我感兴趣的主要领域是恐怖小说：阿尔杰农布莱克伍德，阿瑟梅琴议员，涂谨申，乐法努医师等，经典童话和神话有关的发动机：删节格林，安徒生，王尔德，贝特尔海姆，鞑靼等文学

现在，然后我沉迷于科幻（而不是硬件，更人性化的东西），所以我算是其中我最喜欢的白普理，埃利森，鲟鱼和勿地臣。

我感兴趣的领域得到更加狭窄与另一流派...当我们处理的类型是根据幻想搁置。

作为一个年轻人我读考克，克拉克顿史密斯勋爵邓萨尼，劳埃德亚历山大，福利兹雷柏，马塞尔施沃布，稀土霍华德和其他一些。

不过，我从来没有推入一俟成瘾分像剑与魔法或滥杀滥伤幻想风格对这样或那样的神奇，像其他任何类型或体裁有一个伟大的丰富，使得它难以辨别，当新的“三部曲”或“纪事“是真正来自作为托尔金的或真正的热情源于宗教或其他喜欢CS刘易斯，地方没有。
但在这里我现在：像疯子赶上一个全新的土地上，非洲大陆的各种由语言学家创造了辉煌的宇宙阅读变成萨满。

就像他掌握到一个属于我们的柏拉图洞穴现有的宇宙，托尔金渠道，整个世界，编织的神话和传说熟练。 在未结的好处是，所有这一切学术博学没有减少他的故事为仅仅是标本制作。 他实现了自己的炼金术所有：他写道，在他的动物造型新鲜泥土的新生活。

我这些年来，成为与托尔金的神话的根源和Fafhrd或力克或希柏里尔，很多时我喜欢这种复杂的方法，使恶魔狼，形状器和细长肢苍白的战士，可熟悉的根源编织成的许多故事是成为在最后的一个故事，单一事件，认为什么是对我们所有的不朽。

在创建潘神的迷宫我喝了最严格的仙女传说的形式，并试图深刻的背景情况之间的一个幻想世界，战争和政治的错觉本能韵的主要经常性图案（在成年男子的比赛假装方式）在重读哈比刚刚我很感动的发现，通过比尔博的眼睛藏有虚幻的性质，囤积罪和战争平庸，无论是在西线或在中东地球谷。 孤独是山的。

当该发了言，在迷宫在空中航行服务的推广，很多时候，我所取得的独特呼吁说，虽然我还没有看外面的我一直由三部曲电影着迷哈比托尔金不同的时间。 声明，我已经有机会在2005年时，辟，弗兰和我对哈洛满足。

因此，不，我不是一般的“剑与魔法”的家伙，或者是“天方夜谭”的家伙，同样道理，我不是一个科幻的家伙，但我会基于对埃利森在第二个电影或在鲟鱼或白普理或洋行。 我没有把野蛮人用剑，但我会杀了解决Fafhrd和灰色鼠标...等等等等...我是一个信徒，但不是教条的。

请允许我把最后，细点，我们的讨论。 地狱男爵二世的美学完全流行和色彩饱和，更多的漫画书/我会比以往任何时候都哈比人使用，但现代我花两年时间建立一个仙女，精灵，巨魔等世界

两年。 作为一名职业/创意决定之前的任何哈比人看出端倪。 我写剧本年前我与辟或弗兰满足。 换句话说，我专门在我职业生涯中（与PL和HBII）过去6年来创建剧场世界，仙女，林神，食人魔，巨魔，精灵等居住

在这方面，我想我是一个幻想的家伙时，特别是世界上吸引我。 早在侏罗纪时期（一千九百九十三分之一千九百九十二）当克洛诺斯戛纳电影节上获得影评人周我被称为一个“艺术之家家伙” -我随后在巨型蟑螂电影，足以证明是成功产卵两部续集，让我共同资助作恶多端的骨干网，送我回到了一个“艺术之家的家伙”。 然后，我刀片二，人们认为我是一个“行动的家伙” -辟经历了一个类似与梦幻天堂，品味低俗，死活着，等我蠕动远离标签多变的职业生涯，我希望我能够避免仅仅是一个“梦幻家伙”之后特等，HBII和H ...

我的故事我爱（无论什么货架巴诺分类根据本书）和我爱的小矮人。

我喜欢它足以给它一半是我生命的15年移动半个世界以外这样做。

辟 ：经指示魔戒三部曲，我真的觉得我投入写实的故事，这个世界和我的心和灵魂，只有几年前。 在回去的，基本上对我自己的电影的观点认为，似乎是unsatsifying方式在未来的5年。 不过，我喜欢托尔金和深切关注，我们的电影的。 我无法忍受了别人，而没有我们参与他们的想法。 作为一个作家和制片人是完美的方式，我在这里工作。 吉列有指挥的最终责任，并为他更容易使这些电影的感觉不同，只是因为他不是我的，因此，他已与新的思维，最初的设想，提供。

相信我，我考虑了很久，这是困难，我们在这里所做的将导致更好的电影，我答应你。 而这所有的罪状！

Guiilermo，我一直认为你是一个有远见的导演，我爱你的工作 ， 请你告诉我什么是决定性的因素 ， 使你同意只直接的哈比？

气体放电管 ：托尔金文学的所有工作，我只是熟悉的小矮人。 我购买了它11岁时，它拨动了我的强烈共鸣，但当时，我无法连接的三部曲和精灵宝钻（现在我觉得可口）我未能实现。 我发现他们，不像小矮人，是“过于密集我幼小的心灵”。 我梦见的年龄（事实上的幽暗密林和史矛革，一个类似龙史矛革是作为“童话”奥菲莉娅部分脚本叙述她在空中航行服务程序迷宫兄弟，是雕刻，但削减预算的原因），但是当我看到彼得承担三部曲我认为泰德的小矮人就永远是我。 在开支的一半，10年各具特色收到这些影片的主张，作为彼得将atest - 1 5秒“是”我。 为了我的同业我通常一个人会尝试创造自己的项目，我仍然非常渺茫，当人们努力和重视，我到大的项目。 因为我已通过电影的巨大规模，但是这是一个奇妙的荣幸，我马上说“是”数十年。

我想评论的导演选择awesomeness，但我相信 ， 不会过时。 关于哈比和无数的小矮人，我想知道如果他们都将寻求进入电影的方式。 在魔戒，你在研究金九，但是你有三部电影 ， 以充实他们。 在哈比人，你有13个矮人和一个电影将他们赶都英寸我肯定希望看到所有13个使他们的方式，但你这个问题做了些什么？

气体放电管 ：托尔金说13矮人，我打算用13个小矮人。 我事实上，使他们感到非常兴奋，并让他们都必须区分和字符影响。 在过去的很多书和电影三分之一来自他们。对戏剧和情感

MrCere“这就是我要问的问题
MrCere“13矮人，如何处理所有的，这使我的一天 ， 我肯定有很多人
MrCere“气体放电管计划使小矮人”distinuishable和影响“
maegwen“我仍然不能完全相信，”让他们有明显区别和影响“并不等于”胡须和矮人可爱。“我希望不会，但13 Gimlis不会使好莱坞营销高兴。 我希望它不会走那条路。

MrCere“这是我最喜欢的问题 ， 整个答复聊天。 我爱他没有预想的背景矮人一堆 ， 用“区别和影响为字符”。 这将一个困难的挑战 ， 但剧本使电影更好 ， 当然是从书中离境

吉列，假定他们都是返回撰写了剧本，您会不会一起彼得，菲丽帕和弗兰也写？

气体放电管 ：我打算。 他们在剧本创作的投入是必须的。 我依赖他们，预计要花很多令人愉快的几个月中，通过地球徘徊。

Tookish“我觉得写的电影听起来最好的地区之一
德摩斯梯尼“我认为这将会是一种压力的过程。
maegwen“最佳/最差
德摩斯梯尼“有一些搅拌锅厨师这个很多。

辟 ：写作与合作者组屏幕戏...像列侬麦卡特尼合作。 有时一两个人做得比对过程，反之亦然某些地区其他国家更重要的是它在我们的清洗和分享在什么每个人都做同样的信贷，与我们4，我们将能够建立分工在有趣的方式，每个人都将能够帮助工艺这些电影。

我想请问先生 ， 气体放电管 ， 如果他打算利用（如辟那样）广泛雾的绘画和“大项调查”来描绘广阔全景和中东城市地球或更简单的电脑动画？ 感谢和欢呼声。

气体放电管 ：彼得和我都喜欢“老派”的技术。 我喜欢物理袖珍并尝试使用它们，就像我能和有一个关于这一点迷信。 亚光绘画和“大项调查”，一定会在这些。

我很想知道你将如何处理在电影小鬼。 将它们看起来像电影中的魔戒小兽人还是你要提出一个全新的设计？ 还将一切看起来它在魔戒电影或你被重新设计以符合您视力吗？

气体放电管 ：这是一个领域，我希望我们能够扩大和加强从三部曲既定设计了很多。 我打算拿出一个很强烈的，为的恶魔新治疗。 我也认为应该Wargs他们在重新探讨的哈比人的作用。

有一件事我喜欢看不同的电影工作者的电影是在屏幕上看到把自己的梦想。 但由于这些小矮人的电影正在配合指环王系列，是否意味着德尔托罗先生的奇妙imaginitive目标将限于依循杰克逊先生设定的规则？

气体放电管 ：我荣幸地通过公路漫游追溯到以前，我是绝对你打算采取新的和令人兴奋的地方是没有的三部曲探索。 不过，我们打算，一旦完成后，5部电影将扮演像交响无缝运输工作，通过这个你最好的ä

考虑到你伸展到2电影的哈比人可以假设Beorn将精选 ， 不会给予汤姆庞巴迪的待遇？

气体放电管 ：我可能是少数，但我绝对喜欢Beorn，我打算功能在他的电影。 BTW我也喜欢结核病相当多...

MrCere“而且，Beorn电影中的
Tookish“拉里怎么样利尔森Deisel为Beorn？
MrCere“我喜欢利尔森，一个更好的演员比他大预算现金牛人都记得他为（拯救大兵瑞恩）

Tehanu“TomBombadil暗示!!!!!
MrCere“问好的罗恩珀尔曼
MrCere“哇！ 我错过了Tehanu，优秀的
MrCere“一个真正多汁珍闻
MrCere“哇，现在我们所谓的气体放电管”老派“，他自称”老派“

我的问题有两个部分。 首先将我们注意到从指环王视觉风格发生重大转变的哈比由于吉列的独特的审美？ 如果是的话将有一个完整的重新在两本书的地方就有设计想象（即袋和瑞文戴尔完）由于这个不同的风格？

气体放电管 ：基本设计，预先设定的设计将是唯一的“更新”只要是时代的差别。 半个世纪或多或少是在中东地球上并不多，但是，多少我们的世界已经改变，从-说，2001年到现在...新的设置和设计应融入了足够的不觉得自己是一个完全不同的世界，但认为是的，电影必然会有一些独特的风格印记。

先生们，两部分的问题。 第一，电影或HD拍摄？ 第二，范围或单位？

气体放电管 ：我通常使用的1:85，但我详细策划尊重彼得在三部曲（2点35分01秒）使用的格式选择，但我打算现在，拍电影这一点，不是高清。

MrCere“哇！ 气体放电管计划膜这些电影，而不是使用数字
MrCere“他是老学校 ， 爱就像魔戒被老学校和二点35分01秒格式，哇 ， 这是一个启示

如何将新咕噜不同的魔戒三部曲咕噜，如果在所有？

气体放电管 ：再一次，只在时间的推移，（他的半世纪“年轻”），但将安迪和既定的设计将是我们的模板

幽暗密林精灵会有所不同 ， 从魔戒三部曲瑞文戴尔精灵？

气体放电管 ：这绝对是我的本意，但我不能透露目前了。

德摩斯梯尼“：这是有意义的 ， 使不同的幽暗密林精灵。 工作原理与佳能，因为他们西尔（甚至没有辛达）及以上的瑞文戴尔质朴的精灵-其中许多人可能是毁灭伊瑞詹幸存者（即：Noldorin）高精灵。
莱奥“，他们最好头发是黑色的，或者说帮助我Manwë ...

My question is one that I think you will hear alot of from many of us…from what material will you pulling the second movie from? I know it'll be great with you two on board, but I am mighty curious. I am a huge fan of both of you and I look foward to more Tolkien films!

GDT : The idea is to find a compelling way to join THE HOBBIT and FELLOWSHIP and enhance the 5 films both visually an in their Cosmology. There's omissions and material enough in the available, licensed material to attempt this. The agreement is, however, that the second film must be relevant and emotionally strong enough to be brought to life but that we must try and contain the HOBBIT in a single film.

PJ : I'm really looking forward to developing Film Two. It gives us a freedom that we haven't really had on our Tolkien journey. Some of you may well say that's a good thing of course! The Hobbit is interesting in how Tolkien created a feeling of dangerous events unfolding, which preoccupy Gandalf. There's an awful lot of incident that happens during that 60 year gap. At this stage, we're not imagining a film that literally covers 60 years, like a bio-pic or documentary. We would figure out what happens during that 60 years, and choose one short section of time to drop in and dramatize for the screen. I'm really interested in how it effects The Hobbit – do we show what happens to Gandalf during his trips away? 我们将拭目以待。 We may well have seeds for Film Two that we'll subtly sow during The Hobbit.

leo> I'd say that is hinting towards a Gandalf-centered story for film two
Tookish> i hope they'll sow Silmarillion seeds too

(A long staff argument ensues– scroll to the end)

MrCere: There is still plenty of room to speculate about this film and Peter's comments are going to thrill some fans and fill others with dread. As he said the shackles are off and they will chose one short section, not the whole 60 years. 哇。
MrCere: There will be “purists” among us who despair when learning this and others who will just see it as more of the good, extremely interesting to me.

What production challenges do you feel will be different for The Hobbit and the sequel compared to the experience of making The LOTR?

PJ : Yikes! Every film is a challenge. I always say that making a movie is like film school – you're always learning. But unlike most schools, you never get done with it. You never learn everything. Over time, you get to anticipate problems a little better – but new ones hit you. You get to figure out solutions, but there are always extreme problems you could never guess.

One of the things I'm going to enjoy in this experience, is that I'll be better placed to help anticipate the problems and fix them. When you're directing, you're right at the coal face, always exhausted, often emotional – and I'll enjoy being a couple of steps back from that and simply helping where I can. Having done it 3 times as director, there's a lot I know that can help smooth the way for Guillermo.

MrCere> That is a great explanation of why PJ stepped back from directing
MrCere> it may not be the whole reason, he owes nobody an explanation for his choice, but that is very interesting, he plans to enjoy the making of these films

Will you do another chat later on in the process?

GDT : Gladly- gladly- Im in!!

辟：我们热爱这项工作的很多乐趣。 且让我们得到的官方的问题上，因为我们正在努力下至最流行的最后几个

将咕噜发挥第二部电影的角色呢？ 如果没有，任何计划找到一个安迪瑟金斯不同的角色？ 因为，我认为大多数会同意我的意见，一切都更瑟金斯更好。

气体放电管 ：是的！ 由于大家都知道，咕噜有一个比较有趣的拱经历和他的联盟，以舍罗或其监禁期瑟兰督伊的，等等，但它是早期仍然这么早的事实，以提供更多的会配合我们的手上，可能适得其反。

气体放电管 ：永远不会有“太多安迪”

MrCere：董事当然看到咕噜很大的可能性，也许安迪可以做到这一点 ， 毕竟奥斯卡
MrCere“这些咕噜问题是非常聪明的太
Tookish“并暗示他是如何看到的方式组合中的哈比人，对我的其他国家的历史和所需要的一切 ， 包括从不同的组成部分附录指环王
MrCere“有很多很多可能性安迪瑟金斯
Tehanu“的咕噜的监禁使他们有机会发挥我们的同情后的场景，所以我们不知道我们咕噜一边 ， 有时不是你

克里斯托弗托尔金如何感受这两个新电影？

辟 ：克里斯托弗托尔金不希望在魔戒电影界，我会以为他的感情，是与这两部电影一样。 我完全尊重他，因为他是照顾他父亲的遗产的书籍，不希望被别人的涉及这些故事解释。

Tookish“辟回答了托尔金用地的问题非常好，明智发言

最近重读后与我的孩子的哈比人，我会很惊讶的哈比包含相当线性故事 ， 并不一定遵循“三行动”方案典型的电影。 你的最大适应的故事搬上银幕的挑战看？

气体放电管 ：有这么多，我都试图保护每一个特质的小说，非常的事情似乎“unfilmable”，并且-在我脑海中，将它作为电影扣人心弦。 这部小说是更多更多的发明和在其叙事脱位（比尔博被击中在战斗中被石头）比你可能认为在第一。 我认为，你可以把像在博物馆的作品典型，标本和安装，也可以使它成为活生生的叙述是正确的，然后开展有。

辟 ：结构是非常重要的电影，但吉列尔莫说，因此往往结构将在最不可能的地方找到！ 这很可能建立一个结构化的故事和留住特质。 这将是编写本喜悦的一部分。

Tookish“”不同解释的故事“...这也能够为每个人的背景下要记住 ， 这些都是中东地球的故事...他们不是托尔金的文字可读性。
Tehanu“气体放电管的答案意味着他将避免'视觉施乐'的办法 ， 以适应本书
MrCere“这确实是电影如何最终将面临的最大问题，脚本的结构

是哈比人历险记困难或容易适应指环王作为脚本？

辟 ：两者同样难以完全诚实的。 哈比人历险记有自己独特的问题，不同的指环王的。

气体放电管 ：不容易，我告诉你，

将威塔即将公布的这就像它与香港电影的传奇人物？

气体放电管 ：我希望如此！ 我希望他们所有！

重要的是如何给你彼得之间建立的魔戒电影的整体一致性吉列的？ 在演员方面，外观，景观，评分，外汇-你的目的是让他们站在自己或与同步的三部曲？

气体放电管我认为这是一个既一点，世界必须觉得自己在同一个世界。 高宽比，音乐，基本建立了服装设计，商标和生产，但我很想带来很多新口味的表。 哈比人历险记是，在本质上，对大规模的交响序曲等工作的主题是重提了，但新的调制和引入新的颜色，主题和texturally。

辟 ：我爱吉列的交响典故。 在“序曲”，可以有不同的味道，不同的纹理，但是是一个精心设计的介绍什么跟进。 电影二是完美的戏剧化效果
转变中，地球上propells到魔戒的黑暗日子里我们。 如果指环王是一次大战，那么哈比人就像是爱德华七世时代的冒险故事，在几天之前设置的通知迫在眉睫的世界风云。

吉列，是指导彼得将在某个时候地狱怪客3？

气体放电管 ：提供了一些进展，但他仍难以实现，我们将在不久举行会谈。

将看到 ， 而在哈比人理事会？

辟 ：要早作声，然后写的剧本，但肯定是一个想法，我们正在讨论。

Tookish“那么你知道* *他们将包括白议会...问题是如何，何时和在哪里？
MrCere“是的，这完全正确。 你不能说与这些字符 ， 并且不得有一段时间白议会
德摩斯梯尼“有一个在fotr elreond章长的通道会在阿拉贡和甘道夫描述与白色的理事会和咕噜捕获的东西 ， 并可以作为F2代的基础。 但是 ， 他们会必须非常小心 ， 不要重叠如何在未完成的故事
德摩斯梯尼“我怀疑 ， 这也意味着我们将不会获得任何”前的故事如何甘道夫会见了索林了原来不是“因为所有的超声也是。
德摩斯梯尼“很可能将启动脚本其中哈比做更多。

气体放电管 ：有一个非常好的机会，如果“差距”在一些在任何叙述形式填写。 太早...

金刚喜爱的视频日记，将你们会做类似的哈比？

辟 ：有一个大约为互联网制作日记中很多问题-事实是，吉列，我还没有讨论这个问题还没有，现在我们有一个地方的互联网和电影影碟方真正的计划。 你必须认识到，虽然这一宣布是全面的世界，我们在一开始的进程刚刚开始思考脚本。 我们不是要任何人进入离岸价，但我们已经没有了那么远但在这个过程中，这是一个计划，我们将进入实施在2009年课程。

Tookish“我认为 ， 视频日记是一个伟大的概念 ， 我确信撕裂的会愿意考虑帮助的任何这样的此类项目
MrCere“*掌声*

我一直以为会创造咕噜artisic构成巨大挑战的艺术家 ， 其工作将是适应魔戒。 随着哈比人 ， 我相信史矛革会造成的巨大挑战之一。 现在 ， 我们都看到在电影中的龙。 但对于哈比我个人只是令人难以置信的除外少。 是你去寻找灵感？ 什么样式的艺术dirction看？ 我个人可以看到很多正在与来自潘神的迷宫设置完成。 谢谢你 ， 祝你好运的。

气体放电管 ：这是一个大家庭，请允许我引用表格Onering.net我的随机响应...

我是大龙迷。 我曾经说过，以前，我有幸出生在中国Horocope一龙...

虽然它始终不能同意的“最伟大的事情”，我带出这两个作为该标题：艾温德厄尔/迪斯尼Maleficent龙（1胜利的颜色和设计高雅）和屠龙记Vermitrax贬义的主要电影竞争者。

我认为，所有其他大量的设计借鉴了这两个。 我打算创造一些新的和开创性。

史矛革不应该是“电影中的哈比人龙”就好像它只是另一种寓言集“的生物。 史矛革应该是“龙的传人”的所有过去和现在的电影。 他投下的阴影和贪婪他来体现，“需要拥有”投下了长长的阴影，并创建一个专题/戏剧性的连续性各种各样的故事，阐明了整个，在这方面，史矛革字符是一样重要，如果不是更多
重要的是，比设计。 字符会出现文字的形式，并在这壮丽的嚣张气焰，情报，复杂性和史矛革彪炳贪婪

事实上，索林的贪婪是本和比尔博的“下岗”和他的崇高交换双方在矮人被证明是错误的主题概念的扩展是其对应（这是一个很难获得通过，比尔博的英雄事迹是有安静，道德）和专题线程达到高潮，在比尔博/索林临终现场。

不管怎样，回到史矛革：主要的错误之一，就是谈龙的形状像个猴一怠慢，以实现一个可耻的嘴唇同步口。 .. 阿一点未能实现，特别是在伊拉贡我，因为
他们的联系是一种心灵的。

对我来说，史矛革是由它的外观和设计，是的，而且，很重要的是，他的运动，一个小提示，它的环境-想想看...他是缩放，移动的方式定义了一个很好的例子伟大的动物并点燃，限制或他的位置，气候条件，光照条件下，一年时间增加等，这就是我可以毫无保留地说破坏者，但是，如果你保持这种奇怪的小总结你会发现几年现在，这些形式事情我已经在我的脑海自从涂鸦的字符作为一个孩子在waaay在开始拍摄的电影凝固。

一个大的工具也是如此，当他的面目暴露无遗。 我可以给你具体拍按其实击败（我geeking指出这样做），但...

我不再多说了，为了节省您的无情spoilerage（我们有几年的时间，你现在...？），增加焦虑。

但是，让我，说这实际上是点，我觉得最热心之一。

至于他的声音，好，每个读者有他/她的头，就像你永远当“听”一书一大特色做史矛革的声音。

我有我的...，并会及时披露...

Tookish“这一段约他们将如何处理史矛革...真棒信息RIFE的！

Tookish> woohoo GTD with the TORn reference!!
MrCere> Can you believe how fast he just typed all that?
MrCere> Script should be done by 11 pm

Any ideas about the talking wargs? the wargs in hobbit are remarkably different from the “hyena” ones in the LOTR movies..

GDT : Absolutely: they will be different from the Hyena ones established in the Trilogy- they will be faithful to the creatures in the book and will be redesigned accordingly.

Tookish> Here we see an example how, while they will be striving to make five connected movies, there will be some contrasts from what's established in PJ's LotR… hopefully for the better.

( random comment that slipped into the mainstream: A s no bugger is going to answer our questions we may as well talk to each other! I guess we should have submitted questions earlier on as it seems they are being answered!!!)

PJ : the buggers in Wgtn and London are wading through 6000 Q as best we can. Every Q answered represents a number of similar questions.

GDT : As they say in Family feud: “Survey Says:”

Peter, perhaps you could clarify what your role will be in the production of these films: What exactly does an executive producer do? Will you follow that model or “forge your own path?” How will Guillermo's role and your role be different? Do you plan on writing the script again with Fran and Phillippa?

PJ : Truth is “Executive Producers” do a range of things on movies from a lot to virtually nothing! I see myself being one of a production team. My interest is helping Guillermo make the very best films he can. I love writing and I'm looking forward to that. Guillermo will be writing, along with Fran, Philippa and myself. As a director, I could never direct something I didn't have a hand in writing, and we're not expecting Guillermo to do that either. If the director is part of the writing, it means he was there when the discussions took place, story decisions were made … he knows why things are the way they are, and what they need to achieve. Everything is in a script for a reason, and only by being part of a writing team (or writing it yourself), do you really understand the intention of every beat.

I see my role as being part of that writing team, which will create the blueprint, and then helping Guillermo construct the movie. I want Guillermo to make his movies, and I want to make sure we end up with a 5 movie series that's as good as it can possibly be.

MrCere> Great answer from PJ about his own role, he is again supporting GDT
MrCere> And he confirms the hints that GDT will assist in the writing process
maegwen> personaly I'm thrilled there will be another voice at the writing table. I think continuity is wonderful, but I think fresh perspectives are absolutely necessary to keep it interesting.
Tookish> Yeah… and I like how PJ clarifies his role in the writing phase… knitting the five films together and connecting the two hobbit films will take his touch
Tookish> I wonder how or if they will weave in references to more backstory and ME history… eluding to stories, characters or myths from The Silimarillion…
MrCere> I wonder how much they can get away with
Tookish> Larry you mean in terms of legality?
MrCere> yes

What will be the title for the second movie?

GDT : Too early- but not “H2 Electric Boogaloo” that has been discarded.

MrCere> Wow, GDT knows geek-speak and refers to the all-time funny sequel “Electric Boogaloo”

辟 ：第二电影没有标题，可能还不会，直到我们写剧本。 你会看到我们有令人难以置信的枯燥名称电影两项我向你保证，不会很久的最后。 只要我们承担。

李将艾伦和约翰豪是在船上呢？ 我真佩服他们的工作。

气体放电管 ：正如我所说，我在伦敦的约翰和艾伦奇妙的午餐几天前，我们都变得非常兴奋，因为我们讨论史矛革，幽暗密林，我的想法等也同样肯定是回来了！

辟 ：无法想象没有他们！

Tookish“这是reasuring知道豪和李会的设计团队...这本身就水泥未来两年电影的主要概念和视觉方面的指环王电影
Tookish“所以我们有豪，李，岸，威塔和气体放电管的团队合作...。 是一个好组合的声音对我！
MrCere“我不知道他们将邀请特德Nasmith，如果他不会太忙 ， 参加这一次？

所以 ， 您是如何彼此的第一次会议？

辟 ：第一次会议，我记得在鲍勃吉列谢伊的保末的一次是指环王党。 显然，当时我们没有对自己的前途举行的概念！

气体放电管 ：我们完成了虾盘，并商定新线应继续聘用圆形，有趣的口音胡子导演...

吉尔摩德尔托罗是一位杰出的导演。 我只是不知道是否确定，他将带来更多prostetics，电子动画和电影的物理效应，因为他不作为的方式地狱男爵和潘神的迷宫（这是伟大的电影包括电影）？ 威塔数字 ， 或将他们的工作仍然被安排好了与VFX？

气体放电管 ：我计划组合的方式，你的眼睛不知哪个是哪个，让你头脑CGI和物理繁忙，但从未对任何一种工具的弱点，使接管。 是的，我已通过试错了解到这两项工具需要混合多少就必须混合，成功地创造环境和生物，。 威塔是领先的房子，但我们绝对会扩大生物团队和团队了假肢牛肉。 想像控制肌肉/面部制度，但与局部的CGI头部或口腔，更换无线电物理生物等，你就会开始得到的想法...

MrCere>“两个董事同意这一看法 ， 并认为 ， 物理，实际特殊效果是大幅增加”特殊“比CGI
MrCere> GDT again alludes to animatronic creatures, probably including dragons
Tookish> Yes, and that's one of the things that made much of LotR so realistic
Tookish> The WETA team have done some great animatronics with the Narnia creatures.
Tookish> I like the way that GDT spelled out how the mix of animatronics and cgi will solve these problems….
maegwen>I'm not a huge fan of animatronics at all, but i'm willing to see what they come up with — not that I have a whole lot of choice

Are you already go to New Zealand, Mr.Del Toro ?

GDT : Yes- Ive been actually been thyere already -secretly- shh- and will be there shortly after HELLBOY II opens and will be getting a LOT of frequent flyer miles in the next few months-

During production of the trilogy, there were days where there were several filming crews working simultaneously, with different people directing. Would you ever want to head up a crew and direct the shooting of a scene for a day?

辟 ：大多数导演都喜欢直接自己。 I thought I could on LOTR, but very quickly found out that the sheer scale prevented it. Instead of a 15 month shoot, we would have shot for 3 years! Guillermo always shoots his own material, so we'll do our best to construct a schedule that allows him to do that. It will depend a lot on how the scripts break down.

I'd happily shot some second unit stuff, anytime Guillermo asked me to. But let's see what happens.

MrCere> So this alludes to multiple units but on the Hobbit at least, the story happens in one place at one time with one cast
MrCere> The 2nd film might require many units like LOTR did
Tehanu> PJ's making it clear he's stepping aside and giving GDT autonomy, letting him call the shots
Tookish> yep… and that he'd work UNDER del Torro… how cool is that!
MrCere> Erica is right, that is a clear indication that he is saying, “I am not the director”

Was it intentional to release the first Hobbit film on the 10 year anniversary of FOTR?

PJ: No this is the first time I have actually thought about it … that is nice I will claim credit for the idea from this day forward

Will the two movies be shot at the same time?

GDT : The idea is to shoot them “back to bacK” with a small break to breathe and to reconstruct certain sets and have time to reasses… But a schedule of a year is expecvted.

PJ : Yes the movies will be shot back to back and the shooting of the movie will be driven by which actors are working with us at a given time and what locations we are in. For instance, if we are shooting hObbiton scenes for Hobbit movies we would also shoot Hobbiton scenes for F2. So during our year of filming we will be shooting both movies at the same time out of sequence.

Tookish> The responses confirm what we have already heard about The Hobbit standing alone in film one and then more storyling coming together for film two

嗨。 Do you intend to play this one by the Book (The Hobbit that is) and make it a very light childrens tale on film, or do you plan to stick with the much darker treatment- in keeping with the LotR films – particularly the latter ones. My personal preference would be for the latter – cannot see how eg. the Rivendell Elves could regress from their nobility in LotR to those “…Tra-la-la-la….” singing versions which wer in teh Hobbit Book. 谢谢您。 “Tra-la-la-la” singing

GDT : We'll see about the “Tra-la-la-“ later- but the book, I believe, in echoing the “loss of innocence” England experienced after WWI, is a passage form innocence to a darker, more somber state- The visual / thematic progression should reflect that in the camera style, color palette, textural choices, etc.

PJ : As I said earlier, I personally feel that The Hobbit can, and should have a different tone. The “tone” of these stories shouldn't be defined by the pressure our characters were under in LOTR. The world is a different place at the time of the Hobbit. The shadow is not so dark. However, what should stay the same is the reality of Middle-earth, and the integrity we bring to it as film makers.

Tookish> It's interesting that they are seeing parallels with preWWI England and The Hobbit…
[Tookish> …but I'm not sure I agree with the notion that in a few short decades the remaining Elves of ME went from “fa lala lally” to gloom and doom…
Tookish> it's truer to say that the hobbits went from a more blissfully ignorant existence to one more fearful and encroached by the world during that time, but the elves?
MrCere> very interesting point

Did you start casting for the 13 dwarves?

GDT : Nope- no casting has started yet. Casting- I mean… BUt some people have thrown their helmet in the ring.

PJ : no casting has commenced and won't until the scripts are written. We have had chats with one or two ofthe LOTR actors however but the casting will be driven largely by the writing and it is impossible to cast 13 dwarves without knowing their personality and characters. We anticipate we won't be in serious casting mode for these movies until well into next year.

leo> as always I start thinking of my best questions when it is too late
leo> but I would've loved to ask them how they are going to find 13 actors who are silly enough to go through the horrible make-up thing JRD had to go through for months
leo> or maybe they are developing a better solution for the makeup this time around?
Demosthenes> john rhys davies will play all 13 dwarves
Demosthenes> just with different coloured beards
maegwen> like the oompah loompahs in the willie wonka remake

In the Hobbit book, we have talking trolls and the Eagles and Smaug talks as well, however in the LOTR Trilogy, trolls did no more than grunt, Fellbeasts screamed, and the Eagles, who were meant to talk, just stayed silent. How much will the portayle of such animals change in the Hobbit?

GDT : I think it should be done exactly as in the book- the “talking beast” motif has to exist already to allow for that great character that is Smaug. It is far more jarring to have a linear movie and then – out of the blue – a talking Dragon.

MrCere> GDT makes a very good point about previously talking animals setting up Smaug
Tehanu> Wonder if they'll have the moving mouth thing….GDT made a comment about that somewhere, thinking abouthow Smaug would talk
MrCere> T: very good question, HOW will Smaug talk?
MrCere> I think it seems the same way that other animals talk
Tookish> Yes they'll have to have a talking Smaug and it would have to be done with cgi
Tookish> i asked if they'll do motion capture research with lizards and bats…
Tehanu> nice
Tehanu> GDT said somewhere something about making the dragon have 'simian' face characteristics in order to speak, and that he didn't like that. Not sure he said what his solution was.
MrCere> HOW in the world could anybody film dragons, giant spiders, goblins and battle of 5 armies (especially GDT) in a “light hearted” manner like the books and not make “Bridge To Teribithia”?
MrCere> T: He didn't provide a solution, just said he didn't want the dragon to talk like a human, or simian like you just said, I am from the reduncancy department of redundancy
Tookish> lol
Tookish> what are simian face characteristics?
Tehanu> You know, humanoid lips, nose…not a long snout like a reptile
Tookish> ah ok
maegwen> No, it's ape-like

Will we be seeing Legolas in Mirkwood?

GDT : We all think that this is a very interesting idea but the scripts are in process so- sorry,.. too early to tell.

maegwen> and a million fangirls squealed in delight. Well that could offset the 13 not-hot bearded-dwarves problem….

Will you be using the same production team ie. Special effects, art directors, cinematographers, composer etc..

GDT: Many of them will be back. I will supplement the FX departments, the design departments (with very interesting names), but the crew will utilize as many of the original elements as possible.

Tookish> I'm glad there is a question about the production team… personally I think that it's essential for the production/design and all that goes with it to be identical to that in LOTR… I want these films to have that kind of continuity.

Will the Hobbit get an extended edition like LOTR?

PJ : interesting Q. The truth (and this is the truth) is that you don't plan for extended editions up front an extended edition is the result of left over scenes that have been deleted out of theatrical cut. In an ideal world the script is written lean and tight and therefore there are no scenes left on the cuttring room floor and therefore no extended edition. However when writing 3 epic LOTR films there was no way we could keep the writing process as lean, so the extended edition was a result of seeing our thought process during the writing and shooting play itself out on screen with scenes we no longer needed when we finally cut the films together. Whether there will be an extended edition of the Hobbit will depend entirely on the final theatrical cut and what we have left over.

GDT : That one is REALLY too early to answer… but being a DVD freak (now a B-Ray freak) I think that if you have enough alternative material you can make it accesible on DVD (or BR) format… Is not a priori that one decides this.

MrCere> I believe PJ and GDT when they say they don't know if there will be extended editions, but I also believe there absolutely WILL BE EXTENDED editions, they will not be able to help it, particularly on the 2nd film
Tookish> Cere, i agree with that
maegwen> It goes back to what PJ says though, and what I've always said, if you plot your story “tight” from the beginning, you shouldn't have all these loose ends unravelling. There are things I like about the LOTR Extended DVDs, but they're also very frustrating — to me — because so much of what really clarified the theatrical version ended up lurking on them. I'd like to see a more concise film. Sorry PJ! (easy to say from the peanut gallery)

So what age rating are you aiming at?

PJ : the rating will be the same as the Trilogy, PG13 on both movies

GDT : An intense PG-13…

MrCere> Wow, so the Hobbit will not be the hard 'R' movie we all thought it would be?
maegwen> good lord
Tookish> lol
Tehanu> People on my screen are saying 'so no dwarf sex scene in the second movie?”
maegwen> mine aren't saying anything
jincey> i think there is only one other person in my room

What was it about Guillermo that made you feel he was the right guy to continue on the saga of Middle-earth? Are the two of you on the same page for the vision, direction, and style that these movies will have? If the two of you disagree on a point, who wins out?

PJ : I'll talk more about this in a later question, but watching his films, he has respect for fantasy. He understands it, he's not frightened by it. Guillermo also understands character, and how the power of any movie is almost always linked to how closely we empathize with characters within the story. His work shows great care and love for the main characters he creates. He also has supreme confidence with design, and visual effects. So many film makers are scared of visual effects – which is no crime, but tough if you're doing one of these movies!

If we disagree, the director has to win, because you should never force a director to shoot something they don't believe in. But we're both reasonably practical and ego-free, and I believe that if we disagree, we both have the ability to express our differing theorys – state our case, like lawyers – and between us, work out what's best for the movie.

Tookish> sounds like GDT will have good rein on the films
MrCere> One thing PJ is doing in this chat is making it crystal clear that his is actually GDT's movie(s). He has gone out of his way to underscore that for fans, anticipating the angst that he isn't directing.

When do you expect filming to begin?

PJ : at this point in time the plan is to write for the rest of this year and start early conceptual designs. 2009 will be dedicated to pre-production on both movies and 2010 will be the year we shoot both films back to back. Post productin follows one film at a time with The Hobbit being released Dec 2011, and F2 release Dec 2012. That is the schedule in about as much detail as we have ourselves at the moment.

Tookish> I like that they'll release two movies in consecutive years… woohoo!
MrCere> Nice of PJ to go beyond the obvious answer and give us some REAL info about the schedule for the films
MrCere> those are news bits that has not be in the news yet

MrCere: I love that Jackson just told us the MONTHS and YEARS of the film releases. The studio is clearly on board with that, but rarely would share with fans. It will be part of the end-of-year tradition of LOTR.

I enjoyed your cameos in the LOTR movies, Will you have a cameo in this Hobbit, and what character would you like to play?

PJ : I actually haven't thought about it. My convention is to do cameos in films I direct. I don't know if that extends to films I produce. I guess we'll find out. I love Hobbits! I am a Hobbit, in very many respects, as were my parents. Tolkien wrote about a type of people he knew, in pre-war England, and somewhere along the line, he must have bumped into my relatives!

GDT : Unllike Peter, I'ma Dwarf ( a coarse creature I am)- but I studiously avoid cameos…

MrCere: That actually characterizes the difference of the two directors rather nicely. While not literally true, it makes it easy for us to get a handle on them, a quick way to characterize them, a film-maker's technique.

Will Ian McKellen return as Gandalf?

GDT : Absolutely!!

PJ : absolutely

Mr. del Toro, have you started keeping a notebook of sketches on this film yet?

GDT : I have started already and shared some of the design a=ideas with Alan Lee and John Howe during a very excited lunch in London.

Will you be filming the Hobbit in 3D?

GDT : At this stage it is too early to tell, but no plans are being made for that at the moment…

What do you envision Gandalf's role will be in this film? He seems to go off on his own and disappear in several sections of the book. Do you want to stay faithful to that or give him a more active role? How do you think you'll ingratiate his character into an effective, cinematic storyline?

GDT : I believe that Gandalf is meant to be used in that way- coming and going in and out of the narrative. If anything, this creates the perfect setting for those “gaps” to be bridged by the second film…

PJ : Those gaps are great! There's a lot of stuff going on, which is distracting him. I'm just pleased to be getting Gandalf the Grey back for two more movies. Ian and I loved him best. We were a little sad when the
Gandy the White took over.

Tehanu> “Gandalf the Grey” – he's a more human, approachable character – more for McKellen's acting chops to work with. Yay!
Tookish> PJ and Ian were sad that Gandy the White took over… lol. I feel the SAME way!
Tookish> awesome
Tookish> Gandalf is kind of cantankerous in The Hobbit
Tehanu> and kind of witty too
Tookish> yep

Will you use the Hobbit holes usd in LotR?

PJ : Yes we hope with the permission of the land owner that we will rebuild Hobbiton bigger and even better than what it was for LOTR in exactly the same location

MrCere: Those holes were saved on the farmer's property, famously, by one of New Zealand's LOTR tours, Red Carpet Tours in fact, which were a day away from being destroyed. It sounds like they will be back in the same location. What nostalgia that will be!

What are the chances Ron Perlman will be voicing Smog?

GDT : At this time the voice of Smaug is down to a very few choices in my head and I have a completely specific one, Ron has a good chance but I have other plans for RP… we will see…

MrCere: Well, there it is, confirmation that Ron P. will be involved in some way. GDT joins the team but also brings his own people along. This will be fascinating to see and we better start figuring out where Perlman fits. I love him for Thorin personally or Beorn

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Tehanu: Confusion in some chatrooms about how unmoderated comments and questions seem to be getting through

Will the Ring trilogy get a blu-ray release around the time of Hobbit? or sooner?

PJ : We are working on a blu ray version of the LOTR trilogy with Warner Bros at the moment, not sure when it is due for release. It certainly won't be this year.

MrCere> There you go, Blu Ray LOTR news
Tookish> Ok, thought: It sounds like GDT is getting his head around the project with his response to the question about darkness and gore.

4:15 pm:

MrCere> I wish they handed out a “What we know so far” primer for fans to catch up! That is my thought so far
MrCere> and I am half kidding of course

My question is to Guillermo, what can we expect from your vision and approach with this picture and I'm guessing there will be alot of dark elements to this film, but how far will you go in terms of horror and violence?

GDT : I hope that Mirkwood can be pretty scary but not graphic, I hope Riddles in the dark has an element of fear and suspense and to be deeply atmospheric but still allow the ingenious, engaging contest to take place. And Smaug should be all shock and awe when he unleashes his anger so, it will be pretty intense but not gorey.

Tookish> There are plenty of opportunities for a dark tone with Mirkwood, the tunnels of the goblins, Goblin Town, Gollum's lake, the Desolation of the Dragon, Mirkwood & the ruin of the kingdom under the mountain

Are you planning to use some location in italy?

PJ : t is unlikely we will shoot any of the Hobbit of Italy, but I would love come to Italy for a vacation, you should tell me the best places to visit.

GDT : Not really- But I love Italy…

Will Hoawrd shore be returnign to do the score?

GDT : Yes- absolutely, Shore is teh VOICE of these films and we will absolutely be invited back. Peter and Fran have talked to him a couple of times already and Ive exchanged emails about the subject. He will return.

Will places other than NZ be considerd for locations?

PJ : It is unlikely we will need any locations outside of NZ which has always been the perfect Middle Earth. there is nothing yet that tolkien has described that we haven't managed to find in this amazing little country and I expect the Hobbit to be no different.

GDT : NOne being considered at the moment.

Tehanu> I wonder what location they will pick for Lonely Mountain, and how much they will use an actual outdoor set for that?

Some asked about the casting of Bilbo Baggins and if Ian Holm is an option:

The fact that Ian Holm is SO memorable means that PJ, Fran and PB did their job right. We will utilize him in some fashion for sure but the difficulty of th erole will be better assesed after we do the script (s).

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4:10 pm It looks as if some people can be seen by PJ and GDT as they answer some people directly.

4:07: First question: Will you be doing less location shooting this time because your team has become so proficient?

PJ : Middle-earth is location, with very few structures really. It's a natural countryside and that's where a lot of shooting will take place.

GDT says: Location will be favored and real set construction. I love REAL set construction and think that sets are very important part of the storytelling and scope of a film…

4:05 pm: They're online!

4:02 pm: I'm in! My chat you can send comments, but you cannot see the other chatters listed in the nick list. You can however talk to them. No sign of action yet, though.

3:59 pm: Any minute now, though I'm still not certain my chat window is working!

3:56 pm: Things are at a fever pitch, I have to say. There are loads of people in TORn's chat, and everyone is trying to see if they're seeing the same things at WETA.

3:50 pm : Tehanu: I've emailed the Weta website guy saying we're seeing different things.

If we get an answer, we'll let you know.

3:49 pm : The instructions say that you may only submit a question to the moderators through the “comment” field. You cannot chat directly to the moderators or GDT by private message. To talk to other fans:

“Your comments can be seen by the others in your group. Each group consists of up to five fans. To have a conversation with the others in your group, simply type your comments into the bottom field, and click on 'Send a Comment'. Your comments won't be seen by Peter and Guillermo or anyone outside your group during the chat event.”

3:45 pm: Right now there seems to be a lot of confusion as people are finding that if they signed on hours ago, their rooms do not have moderators or GDT listed. Most have found that logging out and signing back into the chat puts them in a room with at least those three people.

leo> or maybe a Gollum-centered story for film two
Tookish> i think… a RING centered story
leo> I'd never really thought about that, but I guess its an idea as well
Tookish> all the key events can revolve around the ring
leo> GDT : Yes! As all of you know, Gollum has a rather fascinating arch to go through
leo> this is true
leo> we've all been pondering about Gandalf or Aragorn-centered stories for film two
Tookish> yeah leo he also talks about G coming in a and out of the film
leo> it could be Gollum as well
MrCere> It sure could
leo> his arch is much more interesting then the goody-two-shoes-archs from Gandalf and Aragorn
Tookish> lol
Tookish> gandalf makes the most sense as the central player
Tookish> a storyline held down by gollum doesn't seem to have as much draw.. and there isn't enough of aragorn to go with….
leo> yeah, but there's very little surprise or growth in his character
leo> Gandalf, that is
leo> his growth is learning about the ring
leo> we already know all about that
Tookish> no way
leo> Aragorn growth (if that is the right word) is coming of age, falling in love, travelling Middle-earth and serving here and there
Tookish> there is a TON of gandalf's growth
Tookish> yeah but how do you make that a movie?
Tookish> his growth is ancilary to gandalf
Tookish> who guesses that Bilbo has the ring
leo> his growth is much easier to visualize then Gandalf's
leo> I think
Tookish> gandalf rises to power in the hobbit
leo> Gandalf's growth is in his mind
Tookish> while Sauruman is the head of the white council, it's also the time when he falls from grace
leo> he learns of things, and acts on them
leo> Aragorn discovers
leo> and Gollum is much more impulsive
maegwen> you guys are funny
Tookish> gandalf knew that a bigger war was coming, so he staged the events of the hobbit to take out smaug
Tookish> 赫赫
MrCere> Gandalf is nothing but a user
Tookish> he's the chessmaster… the Vice President of ME
Tookish> and so he moves the players in the hobbit just like LotR
Tookish> aragorn is meerly a pawn 王？ ha.
leo> yeah but that is my point Took
<leo> as a movie, the story of the pawn would be much more interesting
<Tookish> so who wants a story about a pawn?
<Tookish> lol
<Tookish> i don't agree
<leo> me dammit
<Tookish> hehe
<leo> Fool of a Took
<leo>
<leo> let us agree to disagree, for now